All things Fermi

[Kal-EL]

Post all things Fermi in this thread.


http://www.legitreviews.com/news/7029/

NVIDIA Fermi GF100 Video Cards To Support 32x Anti-Aliasing Mode


NVIDIA has been releasing all sorts of GeForce GF100 Fermi video cards facts on Facebook and Twitter for the past month. Tonight they just posted up that the GF100 supports a brand new 32x anti-aliasing mode for ultra high-quality gaming! This is an interesting piece of news and at this rate it will be curious to see what secrets of the card they have not mentioned! http://legitreviews.com/images/news/2009/nvidia_fermi_chip.jpg

NVIDIA GeForce GF100 Fermi Video Card Facts

GF100 is the codename for the first GeForce GPU based on the Fermi architecture!
The GF100 board is 10.5-inches long -- the same length as GeForce GTX 200 Series graphics cards!
GF100 packs in over 3B (billion!) transistors
The GF100 supports full hardware decode on the GPU for 3D Blu-Ray
GF100 graphics cards will provide hardware support for GPU overvoltaging for extreme overclocking!
GF100 supports a brand new 32x anti-aliasing mode for ultra high-quality gaming!

[Witchdoctor]

wish they could get this thing out to retail already

[Kal-EL]

Hopefully I can snap some close ups at CES ;)

[Russianhaxor]

Damnit, nothing new here. I dont understand whats so spectacular about this.

I need to go get my Fermi architecture data sheets and stop this madness.

[DrNip]

NVIDIA Fermi possibly delayed to march 2010
By Hilbert Hagedoorn, December 29, 2009 - 10:04 PM


The rumors go on and on regarding NVIDIA's Fermi architecture. The latest report from digitimes now states that Fermi 40nm based GPUs won’t make its expected early 2010 launch, and nor will it be ready in time for CES 2010 in January. The claim is that NVIDIA have been telling producers to only expect the DirectX 11-compatible Fermi chips in March 2010, and suggest that defects have prompted the delay.

NVIDIA, for their part, have declined to comment on “unannounced products”, and would not confirm that the chips were first expected in November this year and then initially delayed until CES.

The first chip is expected to be the Fermi-GF100, using GDDR5 memory, and arriving in March, while NVIDIA are believed to be readying a GF104 version for Q2 2010 to target the high-end market with its GeForceGTX295/285/275/260.

SOURCE:
http://www.guru3d.com/news/nvidia-fermi-possibly-delayed-to-march-2010/

Either shit or get off the pot Nvidia. (Sorry for the sudden outburst.)

[karmakazi]

Either shit or get off the pot Nvidia. (Sorry for the sudden outburst.)

I agree... stringing people along, physx/ati thing, renaming 8800gts512/9800gtx/gts250... arent the way to keep customers loyal.

[Kal-EL]

And yet we all keep hoping for the next big thing from Nvidia/ATI, rooting each camp on like savage traitors. One month ATI who ares and the next Nvidia junkies. Praying that maybe thru some divinity, some pixie dust will fall onto your wish that Nvidia/ATI unnexpectedly releases a humdinger that blows everyone's socks off.

But in reality, you'd need to wait 2 years from release to get "Big Bang" drivers that actually increase performance by a large measure. Or wait 4 years for a decent performing card with wacky fan controls and crap filled drivers.

Either shit or get off the pot Nvidia. (Sorry for the sudden outburst.)

They may have had a very large shipment of "Pot" that's reducing their work performance.

[Neuromancer]

"May be delayed" till March. Umm I thought we knew that for at least a month.

Back in November they said Q2 right? (Or did they say Q1 and everyone just assumed they meant the very last day of Q1) LOL

Oh and that is SO totally a fake name. Hilbert Hagedoorne. LMAO

[thebanik]

"May be delayed" till March. Umm I thought we knew that for at least a month.

Back in November they said Q2 right? (Or did they say Q1 and everyone just assumed they meant the very last day of Q1) LOL

Oh and that is SO totally a fake name. Hilbert Hagedoorne. LMAO

Dunno fake or not but he certainly is a respected member of guru3d team...........

[Neuromancer]

Dunno fake or not but he certainly is a respected member of guru3d team...........

Actually he is the owner. I keep forgetting about that guy. Once a year or so I see his name and go OMGWTF! and have to look it up to make sure it is not fake.

[DrNip]

NVIDIA's First DirectX 11 Accelerators are GeForce GTX 480 and 470
A tweet on NVIDIA's Twitter account reveals that the company's first DirectX 11 compliant consumer graphics products will be named GeForce GTX 480 and GeForce GTX 470, against popular opinion that they could make for the GeForce GTX 300 series. The most likely reason for this could be that the company has released mobile graphics products under the GeForce GT 3xx series which are based on its GT21x series GPUs which are DirectX 10.1 compliant. It would be hence easier to make out that DirectX 11 products start in the 400 series.

The two are based on NVIDIA's GF100 GPU which physically has 512 CUDA cores (shader units), a 384-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface, and DirectX 11 compliance. While the GTX 480 is likely the full-featured part, it remains to be seen how NVIDIA carves out the GTX 470 SKU. An enquiry by AnandTech confirmed the authenticity of the Twitter account.


SOURCE:
http://www.techpowerup.com/114342/NVIDIA_s_First_DirectX_11_Accelerators_are_GeForce _GTX_480_and_470.html

[RomDominance]

If they keep screwing around, ATI will get the jump on them again....this is pathetic. They are gonna regret neglecting the enthusiast market. Wrong time to be making stupid financial decisions but oh well, as OC would say, "it is what it is".

[Witchdoctor]

I agree they will soon have to compete with the 5870 refresh AKA 5890 or what ever they call it.....

But we probably will all buy one even if it is released in 2011 ............:ohcrap:

Seriously though I can't wait to have one of these in my hands .....

nV control panel = WIN

[Splave]

5890 with 1000/1300 standard I would assume (just cherry cores most likely) Would be a good move for ati, so they can just focus on their ass drivers.

Fermi is becoming a joke, maybe we will see it by quarter 4?

[Kal-EL]

Anybody got the low-down updates?

[GFDuke]

Nothing here. everything is so hush hush it makes you wonder if they will even have a card that will be able to compete.

[Neuromancer]

See this is the whole problem...

All the nVidia fanboyism on other forums is going to ruin the company, it was... I am waiting Fermi will pwn... yeah I think they are gonna pwn.... if they don't pwn I am buying an ATI card! and lastly.. ah fark it, anyone have a 5800 series in stock I am tired of waiting.

the (now) 400 series cards do not have to pwn a 5970. The should have released the tech at lower clocks, not geared it as a flagship, and let it mature a bit.. get some freaking new sales coming in... and buy themselves time to develop the platform.

With their driver and game hacks, plus the ACTUALLY ADOPTED features like PhysX and CUDA and the like. The can put out another 260 level card (cuz lets face... not everyone could afford a 28X series card, EVERY nVidia 200 series owner had at least one 260 though). Probably the most popular card on the freaking planet

Put out one of them based on the fermi arch... develop it mature it with drivers... and get enough time to get a 280 or better level card out.

JMHO

[DrNip]

Yeah they will prolly pwn but it looks as though ATI is saving the 5890 for when the fermi monster drops. As we know the 4890 pwned the 4870 and I can only assume the 5890 will the 5870.

[Afterburner]

Regardless.... When they do finally come out one very smart move is the 3d and multiple monitor support that is backwards compatible.... Brilliant!

And as far as Pwn'g... Fermi needs to at least compete, or they will be in trouble.

I totally agree on the 260. IMHO the 260 is one of the best price/performance cards ever produced. I hope they match the same combination in this next series as well. I would much rather spend $500 on each business computer for SLI than $400 for a single card and not be able to run Multi monitors...

I snagged my 5870 because I wanted DX11 now and the Eyefinity was just to strong of a new toy. And I am very pleased with m purchase. I cannot say enough about the Eyefinity experience. Even my wife digs it. She usually uses her Laptop the most, well now she uses my gaming rig to surf... sigh....

[MaadDaawg]

I predict they'll release the cards on March 30th.... just a hunch :D

[DrNip]

In detail NVIDIAs Rocket Sled Demo: DirectX 11, Physics, Fluids and More

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[Neuromancer]

WITH ANOTHER LAUNCH of the Nvidia GT300 Fermi GF100 GTX480 upon us, it is time for an update on the status of that wayward part. Production parts have been coming back from TSMC for several weeks now, and the outlook for them is grim.

We first got word that production A3 GF100s were back in Santa Clara near the end of January. When enough of them rolled off the line to characterize the silicon, we hear there were no parties in Santa Clara. For those not interested in the 'why' side of things, the short answer is that the top bin as it stands now is about 600MHz for the half hot clock, and 1200MHz for the hot clock, and the initial top part will have 448 shaders. On top of that, the fab wafer yields are still in single digit percentages.

That said, the situation is far more nuanced than those three numbers suggest, and the atrocious yields are even after the chip has been downclocked and defective units fused off. To make matters even worse, the problems that caused these low yields are likely unfixable without a complete re-layout. Lets look at these problems one at a time.

Number one on Nvidia's hit list is yields. If you recall, we said that the yield on the first hot lot of Fermis that came back from TSMC was 7 good chips out of a total of 416 candidates, or a yield of less than 2 percent.

The problem that Nvidia faces can be traced to what it is doing to fix the issues they face. The three steppings of GF100 are all what are known as metal layer spins, something that is cheaper and faster than a full base layer respin, taking about two months to see results. A full base layer respin takes well over a quarter, likely more than six months to accomplish, and costs more than $1 million just for the masks. Metal layer spins are denoted by upping the number, A1 to A2 for example, while base layer respins up the letter, A3 to B1. Nvidia counts first silicon from A1, so the current A3 is the third metal spin.

Metal layer spins tend to solve logic problem like 1 + 1 = 3, not power or yield issues. Most yield problems are related to the process that the chips are made on, and modified by factors like how fast you try to run the transistors, how much you bend the design rules, and other related issues. While this is a very simplified version, metal layer spins don't tend to do much for power consumption or yield problems.

Full story at source



Source: Semiaccurate (http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/17/nvidias-fermigtx480-broken-and-unfixable/)

[FACE]

Damn, sucks to be nVidia right about now. They should really start whoring out their gtx200's at half price to push for the funds for a base spin.... :Dizzy:

[Neuromancer]

200s were extremely expensive to produce too I beleive, the poor price:performance ration was not so much them gouging the consumer just extremely expensive products to produce.

[Witchdoctor]

Damn, sucks to be nVidia right about now. They should really start whoring out their gtx200's at half price to push for the funds for a base spin.... :Dizzy:

Until they do there market share will remain to be complete crap ...

260/216 should roll in the 150 range at least

285's I would say need to be around 250

You have to give it to ATI for getting the dx 11 out the door and even know they are struggling with drivers they have acomplishe their goal by stealing the high end with the 5870 and the midrange market with the 5850 witch is just a tick slower

NV will have to compete with a refresh but I see no reason why ATI would release this until Nv puts something out to compete with the current line up

[ReverendMaynard]

I'm actually excited for anything new from nVidia. Ati has done a remarkable thing with the 5 series but all of this GSOD, driver stops and generally shit drivers has left me looking for something from the green team.

[Dentlord]

I'm actually excited for anything new from nVidia. Ati has done a remarkable thing with the 5 series but all of this GSOD, driver stops and generally shit drivers has left me looking for something from the green team.

I couldnt agree more, although the 5870 is a fantastic card for getting benchmark scores, I would never in a million years use one or more of these things in my gaming rig.
Fermi will be in there as soon as it comes out (pending total suckage, which I cant imagine would happen) just because I know the drivers will work, SLI will work, and any issues that come up will be far easier to deal with than the damn ATI driver nonsense.

[Witchdoctor]

I hear ya. I have not had to deal with the CF issues since I only have one of them.

I sure hope when they do bring it out and it is a home run....

If not look for a lot of developmental people at nV to get the ax ........

[ReverendMaynard]

You're over-exaggerating nVidia's current situation WD. What happens when AMD has to recall the 5 series? They can't fix it through driver revisions so they just have to admit that there is a hardware fault. OEM system manufacturers are applying pressure because the return rate is massive. People who pay $3000 for a pre-built rig don't bench it where the 5 series shines, they game on it and surf the internet, where the 5 series fails. Don't believe everyone who makes cliff notes from FUD articles brother, what's happening in the real world get's twisted by that bag of douche.

[HITandRUN]

You're over-exaggerating nVidia's current situation WD. What happens when AMD has to recall the 5 series? They can't fix it through driver revisions so they just have to admit that there is a hardware fault. OEM system manufacturers are applying pressure because the return rate is massive. People who pay $3000 for a pre-built rig don't bench it where the 5 series shines, they game on it and surf the internet, where the 5 series fails. Don't believe everyone who makes cliff notes from FUD articles brother, what's happening in the real world get's twisted by that bag of douche.

Could not agree more! I mean sure they have had their share of issues etc. but I'm sure once this thing comes out it will shine. ATI got the go on the DX11 stuff but as you see they raced so had and got a product out which has fault + the drives always has been shitty as far as I'm concerned. I guess we will see in a few weeks what is going to happen. :thumbsup:

[FACE]

Meh, driver-shmiver. Neither one of them write drivers worth a shit until the cards are old news. Bench your old 8 and 9 series nV rigs and you'll see what I mean. :thumbdown:

[ReverendMaynard]

shit drivers are one thing, hardware failure is another. 10.2 Cat release notes don't mention...or fix the GSOD issue. Pretty safe to say it's much more complicated than Power Play.

[Witchdoctor]

You're over-exaggerating nVidia's current situation WD. What happens when AMD has to recall the 5 series? They can't fix it through driver revisions so they just have to admit that there is a hardware fault. OEM system manufacturers are applying pressure because the return rate is massive. People who pay $3000 for a pre-built rig don't bench it where the 5 series shines, they game on it and surf the internet, where the 5 series fails. Don't believe everyone who makes cliff notes from FUD articles brother, what's happening in the real world get's twisted by that bag of douche.


Wow I had no idea it was so wide spread. I though the only catostophic failures were from benchers. I will have to read up a bit so I know the skinny on this shit ......

At any rate lets hope nV delivers big and we all can put the 5 series behind us.

One thing for sure if the 5 series turns out to be a finacial fail for AMD it could mean trouble for the underdog chip maker.

[DrNip]

WTF on these prices. I can only hope these are jacked up.

http://www.sabrepc.com/c-27-desktop-graphics-video-cards.aspx?pagesize=9&sectionids=30&list=0

1571

[Witchdoctor]

Ouch ...............

[FACE]

Yeah I would hope so.... They can kiss my ass if they think I'm paying that much for a gpu... especially one that may or may not be partially faulty or disabled in some way. :thumbdown:

[Gutterz]

WTF on these prices. I can only hope these are jacked up.

http://www.sabrepc.com/c-27-desktop-graphics-video-cards.aspx?pagesize=9&sectionids=30&list=0

1571


I smell Ultra prices :blink:

Did you read the reviews on that site Nip? their funny as hell.

http://www.sabrepc.com/p-174-xfx-geforce-gtx-480-2gb-gddr5-pci-express-x16-retail.aspx

[Neuromancer]

Funny how they are preselling now, and supposedly 480 is not going to be available till MAy now?

470 should be available in March in limited quantities and expectations are it is geared at the 5850?

[Witchdoctor]

Well if they ar going after the 4850 first, they are way off the price point

[Kal-EL]

http://i.tpucdn.com/images/news/nvidia.gif
GeForce GTX 480 PCB and Cooling Assembly Pictured (http://www.overclockaholics.com/116561/GeForce_GTX_480_PCB_and_Cooling_Assembly_Pictured. html)
Sources wanting anonymity sent these pictures of PCB and cooling assembly to sections of the media. The PCB is that of the GeForcehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/#) GTX 480, and is NVIDIA's reference design. It gives away a fair amount of information about the card that has created quite some hype over the months, which is slated for release on March 26. To begin with, the GF100 GPU on which GTX 480 is based, uses essentially the same type of package as the GT200 and G80. To help cool the large die (with a 3 billion-strong transistor count), an integrated heatspreader (IHS) is used. However, unlike with the G80 and GT200 (past two generations of extreme performance GPUs from NVIDIAhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/#)), the display logic is integrated into the GPU package, instead of being spun off into NVIO processors.

With 12 memory chipshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/#) on board, the GPU connects to them over a 384-bit wide memory interface. The reference design board is expected to have 1536 MB (1.5 GB) of memory on it. There's also an unusual amount of simplicity to the board design and choice of components. The GPU is powered by a 6-phase vGPU circuit using more standard DPAK MOSFETs. There is a 2-phase vMem circuit. With wide open spaces in the PCB, NVIDIA actually made two cutouts to help the blower's air intake.

http://i.tpucdn.com/img/10-03-02/23a_thm.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/img/10-03-02/23a.jpg) http://i.tpucdn.com/img/10-03-02/23b_thm.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/img/10-03-02/23b.jpg)


Power (http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/#) is drawn from an 8-pin and a 6-pin power connector. Fan connects over a standard 4-pin PWM controlled line, while the white 2-pin connector in the picture powers an illuminated GeForce logo on the top of the card (next to the power inputs). Connectivity includes two DVI-D, and a mini HDMI connector. The PCB itself seems to be about as long as reference GeForce GTX 280 boards. The cooling assembly doesn't show off lavish use of copper, but looks equally complex as older cooling assemblies by the company for such GPUs.

http://i.tpucdn.com/img/10-03-02/23c_thm.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/img/10-03-02/23c.jpg)


Source: Tweakers.net (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/65933/cebit-nvidia-gtx-480-op-de-gevoelige-plaat-gevangen.html)

[ReverendMaynard]

almost looks like half of a 295.

[Witchdoctor]

All I want to know is when and how much ............................... :clapping:

I have a feeling they will be imposible to get for a while ............ :shock:

[HITandRUN]

Well after reading this (http://semiaccurate.com/2010/03/02/nvidia-threatens-its-partners-cebit/) I have a feeling like the new nvidia tech wont be so great. God knows who to believe anymore. Fact is I wont be paying their price for a GTX480 which is 5% faster than the 5870. I think this will be a fail ship. :taunt:

[Witchdoctor]

Prolly strickly a bench and sell card ....

But retail product will tell the story ...

I put zero stock in to anything that does not come off the shelf for retail as you have to beleive nV and ATI only send out premadonna chips for pre release reviews and god only knows how many of them are on their payroll .............. LOL

[Kal-EL]

26th is the expected launch of Fermi.

[MaadDaawg]

Pefect :) 4 days before my b'day :D Lemme know if you need the ship to address :thumbsup:

:Dizzy:

[Hondacity]

i just the pics..if those are real....they definitely improved the power circuitry

[Russianhaxor]

Fuuurbyyyy

[MaadDaawg]

Reminds of the days (long long ago in a galaxy far far away) when MS was battling to make Windows 3.0 the destop standard against IBM's OS2.

Win 3.0 suffured huge amounts of suckage cause it was released buggy as all hell in an unfortunatley successful attempt to win the market through sheer volume of sales by hype. Win 3.0 was a 16 bit DOS shell and was responsible for coining the phrase the blue screen of death (BSOD). Except in Win3's case, it was death, not an inconveniece. No protection from one program to another, they all shared one giant memory pool and if one died, everything died.

OS2 in contrast was a robust 32 bit operating system, superior in every way except for the marketing push that IBM never made. Since IBM held it until it was a viable product (V3 code named Warp) they were so far behind the market curve they could never catch up.

Meanwhile, MS introduced a less buggy Win 3.1 about 3 months later which let you almost work effieiently throughout the day with only a few BSODs.

The rest is history. Windows dominates, and OS2 is no where to be seen in the consumer market.

Hopefully, the same result is not repeated with the ATI substandard hardware just because it came out sooner.

Not that I'm an nVidia fan boy or anything lol nVidia products just seem to work with far less frustration

[Witchdoctor]

Doe no .......... my 5870 and 5850 work really good ....

I have heard nightmares about CF though .....

We feed that fire, as we all have bought the 5870 and many grabbed the 5970 as well and we will all prolly buy a 480 .....

So bringing product to market just makes good business sence even if it is not 100% ready to go, and untill we are ready to say stop!!! I will not buy this product untill it is ready for prime time, they will continue to do so.

But knowing the mantality of our team and others we will keep buying cutting edge tech and hope for the best ............ :thumbsup:

This marketing stratagy has really worked out well for Bill

[Cecil]

Im expecting a launch similar to the GTX-280. Everyone expected it to be the new 8800GTX, and was let down because it wasnt much better then the 9800GX2. But if you look now all those people have forgotten about the reviews and went ahead and bought one.

Im sure its going to be a beastly card, I just dont think its going to overtake the 5870 by much. Same way the 280 was only a little better then the 4870.

AMD will launch an updated 5870 soon after, and Nvidia will have a cooler running refresh of GTX-485 a couple months after launch. Seems like they are just doing "rinse and repeat" a lot lately.

[DrNip]

Might need to just wait and see what the 5890 does or just buy, bench and then sell it.

[HITandRUN]

Might need to just wait and see what the 5890 does or just buy, bench and then sell it.

That's the way to go even though I was really hoping it would be another 8800GTX!

[Witchdoctor]

If it turns out that good may have to keep it for a while .....

[DrNip]

I know I had a few nights this week where I couldn't go to sleep thinking about the gtx 480. I need to start setting my lunch money to the side for one I guess!!

[Witchdoctor]

I hear ya bro ..... just grabbed a 260 and a 4870 for some hardware goodness

once I dice all these cards I am sitting on will have a fire sale via funds for the 480

but I am sure it will be limited in numbers and availibility at first ... not to mention they will want an arm and a leg for it ..........:ohcrap:

But the gulfy and the 480 will be the global beasts for the foreseable fiuture I am sure

The Alliance could see many global points evaporate out of the gate. That's why I am concentrating on Hardware right now .... they will stand the test of time I am thinking, and keep the Alliance in the hunt for world domination ............. LOL

[DrNip]

I am interested in the 5890 around the corner. I bet it will give a run for the money if not beat the fermi monster.

[Witchdoctor]

we will see but they probably will not be a strong as the 5870's for hardware so I would think it would have to be good enough for Global competition to see a large part of the community shell out for one and the 480 will be tough to beat from what I have read but you know how that goes .... retail cards will tell the story .....

All this pre release info is fun and interesting but I put Zero stock in it .....

Bias and cherry picking make early performance a mute point IMO

[DrNip]

I'll be sitting back in the cut and observing. Hopefully prices will drop a little by summer time for me to try to snag one. Sometime between now and then maybe I can get my hands on one for a week or so to bench. :D

[Buckeye]

Im expecting a launch similar to the GTX-280. Everyone expected it to be the new 8800GTX, and was let down because it wasnt much better then the 9800GX2. But if you look now all those people have forgotten about the reviews and went ahead and bought one.

Im sure its going to be a beastly card, I just dont think its going to overtake the 5870 by much. Same way the 280 was only a little better then the 4870.

AMD will launch an updated 5870 soon after, and Nvidia will have a cooler running refresh of GTX-485 a couple months after launch. Seems like they are just doing "rinse and repeat" a lot lately.

I think Cecil is correct here.

In addition I think the availability of these cards is not going to be that great resulting in higher prices.

I spotted this over on XS, go figure, no way to tell what is correct until release in a few weeks. :popcorn:

[HITandRUN]

I think Cecil is correct here.

In addition I think the availability of these cards is not going to be that great resulting in higher prices.

I spotted this over on XS, go figure, no way to tell what is correct until release in a few weeks. :popcorn:

Hum CPU speed is very low and I wonder if this is crippling both GPUs. These results are very close.

[DrNip]

Pics of the XFX surfaced.

XFX GeForce GTX 480 and GeForce GTX 470 Pictured
Here they are folks, pictures of the GeForce GTX 480 and GeForce GTX 470 complete with partner branding. These come from XFX, both sticking to NVIDIA's reference design. The XFX GeForce GTX 480 comes with the usual feature set of 1536 MB of GDDR5 memory, 480 CUDA cores, and a broad feature set that includes support for DirectX 11, CUDA, PhysX, 3D Vision Surround, and 3-way SLI. The GeForce GTX 470 retains this feature set, albeit with 448 CUDA cores, and 1280 MB of GDDR5 memory. The two will be released on the 26th of March.
http://i.tpucdn.com/img/10-03-19/106a_thm.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/img/10-03-19/106a.jpg)http://i.tpucdn.com/img/10-03-19/106a_thm.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/img/10-03-19/106b.jpg)http://i.tpucdn.com/img/10-03-19/106c_thm.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/img/10-03-19/106c.jpg)http://i.tpucdn.com/img/10-03-19/106c_thm.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/img/10-03-19/106d.jpg)
Source: Expreview
posted by btarunr - 9:50 AM

SOURCE:
http://www.techpowerup.com/117902/XFX_GeForce_GTX_480_and_GeForce_GTX_470_Pictured.h tml

[Witchdoctor]

Bad ass ........... gotta get me one of dose ......:thumbsup:

[thebanik]

480 is using 295W thats equal to 5970, Pretty wary of its overclocking performance, what do you guyz guess? will it have as much of a oc headroom as a 5870???

[HITandRUN]

480 is using 295W thats equal to 5970, Pretty wary of its overclocking performance, what do you guyz guess? will it have as much of a oc headroom as a 5870???

I doubt it! At least not on air like the ATI. With some V-mod and LN2 I'm sure we can get some speed out of this thing. :D

[Witchdoctor]

Green Drivers ..... and hopfully voltage adjustment will = WIN



I hope

[FACE]

From what I have gathered from reading about these effing cards is this...

They are already voltage adjusted... It is speculated that the outlying transistors aren't getting the same juice as the "inner" ones. That cannot be good.

They are going to be super hot, I cannot see much headroom coming out of these unless you run it under frost.... Even then I see the pwm being a problem.

All in all I'm thinking these might be a huge headache for the price for what we do. For the average gamer they may be fine, but I have serious doubts about this nearly scrapped Fermi project. Pre underclocked and overvolted at stock is not a recipe for win in any book.

The sad thing is... I want one anyway. Go figure. :Dizzy:

[Hondacity]

i'd like to get me some :D stock evga ones........well of course if these beats the 5870s then we're golden :D

[DrNip]

I myself am waiting for this as well as the 5890 to drop before I jump. I don't have it like I use to or else I would jump on one out the gate. I'm thinking these Fermi's are going to be bad arse.

[ReverendMaynard]

I'm at least going 470 at launch.

[Witchdoctor]

the 470 will be wicked I am sure, but 480 will prolly max hardware boints and they better be good for globals or nV will have a serious fail on their hands

one thing to be late but if they are slower than 5870's ATI will hold all the cards and could delay the launch of the 5890 .....

why release it if they don't have to .... they can milk the market out with the designer 5870's AK Lightning and such


Hoping for the best

[Neuromancer]

They dont have to beat the 5870.. they just have to be made by nVidia and everyone will buy them up and make a ton of subbmissions with them :) Boints are boints right? I am sure you will still get lots of Globs with them

[Dentlord]

You will only get globals if they are faster than the 5870s

Or if you skipped the 5870 to wait for them

[Cecil]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-final-specs--pricing-revealed/8635.html

Only 5-10% better then the 5870, and $500+ inflaition.

[Neuromancer]

Now the real question.. will this drive the prices of the 280/285/295 to something guys like me can afford???

[Russianhaxor]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-final-specs--pricing-revealed/8635.html

Only 5-10% better then the 5870, and $500+ inflaition.

The 5-10% estimate was back in November... i'm quite sure they've improved performance since then.

[Cecil]

The 5-10% estimate was back in November... i'm quite sure they've improved performance since then.

That link was posted yesterday, and they said their internal testing is only 5-10% better. And from everything else we've seen lately, that seems to be the norm.

[Witchdoctor]

Well as usual it will boil down to clockability and luck of the draw

[Kal-EL]

So they squeezed out a win?

[Russianhaxor]

That link was posted yesterday, and they said their internal testing is only 5-10% better. And from everything else we've seen lately, that seems to be the norm.

No, you don't understand. I've been hearing that internally nvidia had achieved such speeds back in NOVEMBER. So for it to remain 5-10% either means that its not true... or they knew the maximum performance of fermi back in november. Either way, still from november. :D

[Neuromancer]

No, you don't understand. I've been hearing that internally nvidia had achieved such speeds back in NOVEMBER. So for it to remain 5-10% either means that its not true... or they knew the maximum performance of fermi back in november. Either way, still from november. :D

Or they pushed back release till they could meet those claims.. which is more likely?

I aint saying that they would purposely delay fermi to get a 5-10% margin,... just saying that most nvidiot fans mentioned.. If it DOES NOT they wont buy it!


Well hell....how are they supposed to charge these morons 150 -200% market value if they dont?

look you pay as much for a 285 now as a 5800 series...

[Kal-EL]

Not sure if these numbers are remotely accurate this early as most of the guys I know on the inside of things either haven't recieved the cards or just got them in like the last 5 minutes.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23032

[Splave]

if thats true, suck a D lightning

[ReverendMaynard]

Still going to take that as loaded bench runs from nVidia like the article says. Let's see one of these in our hands then we can make some conclusions. I think the whole Lightening fiasco has opened some eye's.

[Splave]

def, I wont even trust the review cards anymore. Until I have one in my hands or my brothers have one I will assume its nothing special.

[ReverendMaynard]

def, I wont even trust the review cards anymore. Until I have one in my hands or my brothers have one I will assume its nothing special.

Something I learned a long time ago brother. Being a bit jaded in this sport works to your advantage.

[Witchdoctor]

Yea in your hands retail is the only true judge of preformance unless you are one of the few that get the hand picked cherries given to you .....

[Neuromancer]

Wow if that review is even close... that is good news for fermi :)

Can't wait to see what you guys do with them.

[DrNip]

I hope this is true too. I am a Nvidia guy for my everyday cruiser, gaming, etc. Only time I mess with ATI is for benching.

[Witchdoctor]

TWIMTBP :thumbsup:

[RomDominance]

Well my GTX480 better be 171.428% as fast as my GTX280, or I will know that Nv's number schemes and re-branding is just an inaccurate and poorly conceived marketing ploy.






This one's for you Rev.:party:= Rom after lightning and 980x fiascos

[Witchdoctor]

171% would be worth the price of admision :thumbsup:

[Gutterz]

Asus claiming 50% faster performance with voltage tweak. Isnt it like 15-18% usualy?

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/fermi-gf100-gtx-480-gtx-470-voltage,9965.html

[Dentlord]

With extreme cooling you might get close to 50%, but on stock cooling hellno!

[Splave]

some pics

http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/Gallery/170368,nvidia-gtx480-disassembly-guide.aspx

[Neuromancer]

LOL They mean 50% faster voltage tweaks instead of taking 10 ms it only takes 5 now. hee hee

Would be SICK if you could get +60% GPU Core speed or whatever it is that is needed to get 50% better performance though :)

[Kal-EL]

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/20/semiaccurate-gets-some-gtx480-scores/

[MaadDaawg]

Might be time to buy a second or third 5870 with the money I was saving for the 480's ???

[Witchdoctor]

This sucks ... and I sold my 5870 :ohcrap:

Well may have to look at another one I guess ... Anyone have the skinny on the Gigy SOC ?

[HITandRUN]

Semiaccurate and its from February 20th. Don't drop the hammer yet on this one.

[Witchdoctor]

Yea waiting for retail for now

I have my fingers crossed for nV ....

If this card blows ATI will spoon feed us clock bumps for the next year :ohcrap:

[Kal-EL]

Its anybody's guess with Nvidia what the facts jacks are. Isn't NDA lifted today?

[HITandRUN]

Its anybody's guess with Nvidia what the facts jacks are. Isn't NDA lifted today?

Yeah 6PM east! Few more hours BOSS! Here is a review! (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://vga.it168.com/a2010/0326/865/000000865774.shtml&sl=zh-CN&tl=en)

[Jor-El]

It's not looking good at all for the 480, unless the price goes down!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4308239&postcount=1

[MaadDaawg]

Don't know if it relates or not, but eVGA isn't displaying any 295s on their product page anymore ... ?? They were there yesterday ;)

[Assassin48]

http://www.evga.com/articles/00528/

Benchmarks
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/26/nvidia_fermi_gtx_470_480_sli_review

[GFDuke]

EVGA 529 for the super clocked. ZZF 699 for the super clocked. lol

[Kal-EL]

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=634

[Cecil]

It's not looking good at all for the 480, unless the price goes down!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4308239&postcount=1

I dont trust the numbers in that thread. My 5870 at stock clocks will get 36+ FPS in Crysis/Warhead at max settings 1080P with 16xQAA.

[Kal-EL]

The power consumption is off the charts and so is the price.

[Gutterz]

depressing. Grant it its only the 3rd month of 2K10 but it sux so far for hardware imop. Except the 980x. Just release some mac daddy shit already.

[Kal-EL]

depressing. Grant it its only the 3rd month of 2K10 but it sux so far for hardware imop. Except the 980x. Just release some mac daddy shit already.

I don't see this being a green year at all and I'm sure ATI has been running hills since the cyprus release so hopefully we see some driver development and product developement continue from the red team.

WOnder if there's a new ati/nvidia kungfu youtube video out.

[RomDominance]

^silly kahuna^
Looks like 480sli is where I might spend some quality time. Gonna need to beam one of you guys up to help pour and keep the beasts fed.:shock:

[Hondacity]

i just saw 3d06 of monstru....10th in gpu ranking..thats crazy....

this card might be the weapon of choice...for 06

[Neuromancer]

^silly kahuna^
Looks like 480sli is where I might spend some quality time. Gonna need to beam one of you guys up to help pour and keep the beasts fed.:shock:

Hope you got a nuclear reactor running in your shed to power those beasties.

Amazing that a single 480 uses more power than 5870 crossfired DAMN

[Hondacity]

Hope you got a nuclear reactor running in your shed to power those beasties.

Amazing that a single 480 uses more power than 5870 crossfired DAMN

crossfired 5870? link please :D

[Neuromancer]

crossfired 5870? link please :D

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/126962492671BZgJ5ZxI_7_1.png

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/26/nvidia_fermi_gtx_470_480_sli_review/1 for the review


EDIT come to think of it.. that does not look quite right a single 5870 uses 50 more watts than a 5850? But a second 5870 only adds 50 watts? Either single 5870 wattage is wrong or the CFX is...

Hmm toms guide has an i7 oced to 4GHz, 6 gb ram etc etc running a single 5870 at 350W and 2 at 560! this one is wrong if 188W is the load rating of the 5870... but not very far off.. in efficient PSU could be issue...

EB Shows a stock i7 and 5870 at 270W load single card and 420W CFX

G3D says 376W just for the 2 cards (5870)... probably the most accurate... would should put it over a single 480 by about 80W

[Gutterz]

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/nvidiageforcegtx480launch_032610115215/22207.png

[Hondacity]

OMG those power curves are sex!!! this will be an ultimate test of best power supplies :D pardon my obsession of power supplies....

crossfire/sli has different effect versus single card runs...you won't see doubling power consumption..its normal...you'll always see an offset of cpu and other computer parts consumption in most curves...

but damn! 851w..........is that on a gulftown?

[Russianhaxor]

As the entire world knows, nVidia unveiled NV100 i.e. "Fermi" architecture on September 30, 2009. As it goes, nVidia's representatives were disclosing to press and analysts that the GeForce parts will see the light of day in November, Quadro to follow in April 2010 and Tesla launching in June, 2010. However, it took almost six months from Jen-Hsun's keynote for the first product to reach our hands, and it will take another two weeks to reach global markets

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/3/26/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480--gtx-480-sli-review.aspx

[Kal-EL]

Monstru with ln2 results:
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/979507_monstru_3dmark_2006_geforce_gtx_480_34748_m arks

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/979508_monstru_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforc e_gtx_480_24941_marks

Wildabeast
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/979515_wildabeast_3dmark_vantage___performance_gef orce_gtx_480_20555_marks

Single card looks weaker than hell after a sizeable overclock from 700mhz core to 900mhz. SOme say SLI will be the saving grace, I sure hope so.

[ReverendMaynard]

Monstru with ln2 results:
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/979507_monstru_3dmark_2006_geforce_gtx_480_34748_m arks

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/979508_monstru_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforc e_gtx_480_24941_marks

Wildabeast
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/979515_wildabeast_3dmark_vantage___performance_gef orce_gtx_480_20555_marks

Single card looks weaker than hell after a sizeable overclock from 700mhz core to 900mhz. SOme say SLI will be the saving grace, I sure hope so.

It may be Kal but multi cards don't do shizzle for us in hwbot. The boints are worthless. Plus for the price, and power...we could run 3 5870's.

[Gutterz]

OMG those power curves are sex!!! this will be an ultimate test of best power supplies :D pardon my obsession of power supplies....

crossfire/sli has different effect versus single card runs...you won't see doubling power consumption..its normal...you'll always see an offset of cpu and other computer parts consumption in most curves...

but damn! 851w..........is that on a gulftown?


Nope thats on a 920.

Graph from AnandTech heres the review http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783&p=2

Test bed they used http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783&p=8


Power Consumption http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783&p=19

[ReverendMaynard]

Look at those load tests.....94C? What a pos.

[GFDuke]

Man o Man. I hate this game sometimes. It's worse than playing poker. Odds are better in poker.

[Hondacity]

anyways seems to me ..this card is only good for 06. time for me to look for that gigabyte 5870 soc card :D

[Witchdoctor]

+1



When the 2Gb monster hits the streets I may have to grab one

the 480 I do not beleive will find a place in my rig

Shame though I was looking forward to them hitting one out of the park

ATI wins this round IMO

[FACE]

Oh well, better luck next time, nVidia. :taunt:

[ReverendMaynard]

I pre-ordered the ASUS GTX480. I couldn't care if it melts...I need change.

[Witchdoctor]

In for the results Rev

They have some work to do before I drop 5 bills on one

but, who knows ?

[Neuromancer]

480 looks pretty good for gaming and stuff (their main audience)

470 not so much surprised the faster shaders on the 470 dont amount to anything.

EDIT: Jeez man there is just too much FUD on this product. Was reading everywhere the 480 was using 1100 MHz shaders vice almsot 1300 MHz shaders on the 470 WTF. Now I see why the 470 is so much weaker...

[MaadDaawg]

480 cores on the 480 ... what happened to Firmi's 512 cuda cores ????? Damn, I hate the thought of having to live in ATI world for the foresessable future :(

In for your results though Rev, I would've pre-ordered too had I found a link, and may order one yet if the egg ever gets them back in stock..... someone pinch me and wake me up from this bad dream :scared:

[Hondacity]

monstrus result were with stock voltages and that was @ 900mhz core... if it were pushed with vcore...i think this will be ok... asus card owners might be in for a surprise...looking at the architecture..their drivers might be not fully optimized. damn i hate waiting..

[RomDominance]

Man o Man. I hate this game sometimes. It's worse than playing poker. Odds are better in poker.
Don't hate the game, hate the playa! Gonna find out if your correct tonight Duke, hold 'em tourney at 7pm for Maddy and I.
Also, don't loose to much sleep bout this release just yet. Shammy will pull out a ftw/classy version with major voltage control for extreme, and it will prolly eclipse the 5870 finally,....just gonna take some time. ATI will prolly respond with the 5890 in the interim,...there will be plenty of choices to cherry pick from, patience my large loobed pal.

[MaadDaawg]

was just lookin at the 480 ftw on evga website ... hydro copper looked like an EK waterblock. Wierdest thing was, NO EvBot port ??? wtf ??

[Gutterz]

i think thats only on Evga models. These are referance cards.

[Planet]

was just lookin at the 480 ftw on evga website ... hydro copper looked like an EK waterblock. Wierdest thing was, NO EvBot port ??? wtf ??

Hydrocopper is swiftech same as they used for GTX285, GTX295. No EvBot since it is a reference design Nvidia card. Prolly be a few months before a non reference card comes out.

[lakeside2189]

Don't hate the game, hate the playa! Gonna find out if your correct tonight Duke, hold 'em tourney at 7pm for Maddy and I.
Also, don't loose to much sleep bout this release just yet. Shammy will pull out a ftw/classy version with major voltage control for extreme, and it will prolly eclipse the 5870 finally,....just gonna take some time. ATI will prolly respond with the 5890 in the interim,...there will be plenty of choices to cherry pick from, patience my large loobed pal.
Yes, i agree...Time to wait and watch..I see that the Canucks review shows the 480 as one hot sucker..This prolly won't matter to the LN guys but their review is less than flattering...
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/30297-nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-review.html

[Cecil]

480 cores on the 480 ... what happened to Firmi's 512 cuda cores ????? Damn, I hate the thought of having to live in ATI world for the foresessable future :(

In for your results though Rev, I would've pre-ordered too had I found a link, and may order one yet if the egg ever gets them back in stock..... someone pinch me and wake me up from this bad dream :scared:

Nvidida said these aren't true Firmi cards. Same design, but they are still working on the 512 core.

[Kal-EL]

Nvidida said these aren't true Firmi cards. Same design, but they are still working on the 512 core.

Which article covered that? Got linky?

[Cecil]

Which article covered that? Got linky?

Lol, I dont remember. Been too many. Read it about a week or two ago.

The intended GF100 has 512 SP clocked at 725/1450/1050MHz with 295W TDP. It should still be released in the future but just not now. For this launch, GTX 480 has 480 SP with clocks lowered to 700/1401/1848MHz at 250W TDP

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-final-specs--pricing-revealed/8635.html

The 470/480 are fermi cards, not GF100 though. Had it mixed up a bit.

[GFDuke]

Must wait for the 512 then. Unless i see somthing that changes my mind.

[MaadDaawg]

I'm thinkin the same, but to date my ability to wait hasn't been too good :P

[HITandRUN]

I'm thinkin the same, but to date my ability to wait hasn't been too good :P

Yeah tell me about it! :D:D

[Neuromancer]

Holy crap! you see what Shammy is doing with them? 1100 core, 2200 shaders geez

53K cpu score in vantage...

29K Pscore so far with a 4GHz gulftown :s

WR is 31 with a 1485MHz 5870 and 5.5GHzx2 on an SR2

[DrNip]

Lol, I dont remember. Been too many. Read it about a week or two ago.



http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-final-specs--pricing-revealed/8635.html

The 470/480 are fermi cards, not GF100 though. Had it mixed up a bit.

Sounds like a 485 around the corner. Going to have to wait for that now.

[Hondacity]

i think the reference cards need some mods....the pwm circuit..looks small..just looking at the power consumption of non-overclocked card reviews..they're already pulling alot of wattage.

[Hondacity]

http://hwbot.org/article/news/shamino_also_tests_gtx480

shamino tried....
memory...a bottle neck
i guess thats why nvidia priced it low...
if ati brings the 5890 to the table now...its gonna be bad for nvidia...
even if nvdia brings out the 512 cuda cores...clock for clock..5890 might be faster
still to early to speculate though..maybe hipro has his maximizer on it already...

[ReverendMaynard]

I just canceled my preorder. After taking a closer look, the 5870 is a better card for me right now and I still have allot of boints to milk from it.

[Hondacity]

I just canceled my preorder. After taking a closer look, the 5870 is a better card for me right now and I still have allot of boints to milk from it.

is yours asus or msi?

[Hondacity]

i think the reference cards need some mods....the pwm circuit..looks small..just looking at the power consumption of non-overclocked card reviews..they're already pulling alot of wattage.
oh crap ..he did use a mod...well...an external power circuit http://www.kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=635

[GFDuke]

I'm in graphics card limbo. :Dizzy::Dizzy::Dizzy::Dizzy::Dizzy:

[Hondacity]

does gtx480 support tripple sli? :D

[ReverendMaynard]

is yours asus or msi?

ASUS. I think after the MSI Lightening fiasco I'll boycott any MSI purchases in respect for my bro's that got arse banged.

That aside, why?

[Hondacity]

can you raise vgpu via software?

[ReverendMaynard]

can you raise vgpu via software?

I don't have it Honda, it was a preorder that I cancelled.

[Hondacity]

does gtx480 support tripple sli? :D
nobody knows?

[Dentlord]

nobody knows?

Definitely triple and the ftw from evga will support 4-way I believe

[Hondacity]

thanksss :D i'm looking forward to certified psu for this setup

i already messaged corsair if they have something new...i'm awaiting reply :D

[RomDominance]

2x PCP&C TC-1200 FTMFW. I don't think you are goin to find one psu to run the multi cpu boards with quad sli/cf

[Hondacity]

geil will be coming out with a 1400w power supply...
corsair too.. :D

i'm not sure what hx it will be but they said it was going to replace the hx1000....