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kikicoco1334
02-04-2010, 01:29 PM
i have been doing alot benching lately and somehow when i try go over 3.3GHz it'll start ramdom BSODing.. i don't know what am i doing wrong...
and most BSOD is 0x000124 and some 07F i looked up and didn't really tell me much
my board is a 780i FTW
here is some pictures of my bios
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5485/08systemvoltage.png (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/08systemvoltage.png/)
http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3097/07cpufeature.png (http://img686.imageshack.us/i/07cpufeature.png/)
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3575/06fsb.png (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/06fsb.png/)
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5314/05systemclock.png (http://img407.imageshack.us/i/05systemclock.png/)
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/2006/04frequencyvoltage.png (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/04frequencyvoltage.png/)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6278/03pchealth.png (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/03pchealth.png/)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3101/02power.png (http://img168.imageshack.us/i/02power.png/)
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6089/01advancedchipset.png (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/01advancedchipset.png/)
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/5207/00main.png (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/00main.png/)
(the only thing different from the pictures are the set voltage and fsb of the ram and chip)
and my setting for the voltage:
cpu voltage 1.5000
cpu fsb 1.5
memory 2.1
nforce SPP 1.5 it was @ 1.4
nforce mcp 1.65 was @ 1.525
ht nforce spp 1.4 was @ 1.25
with this setting i can go somewhere around 3.7ish
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/990787.png (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=990787)
also when i set the cpu voltage to 1.500 in windows under cpu z is showing as 1.472ish
most the people on HWBot is are going somewhere around 4GHz...
Sounds like a fsb hole. see about skipping around it. I'd go up to 1475 for starters, then 1500 if it doesn't bring joy. My 780 had a huge hole in that area.....
kikicoco1334
02-04-2010, 04:18 PM
Sounds like a fsb hole. see about skipping around it. I'd go up to 1475 for starters, then 1500 if it doesn't bring joy. My 780 had a huge hole in that area.....
what do you think this setting
cpu voltage 1.5000
cpu fsb 1.5
memory 2.1
nforce SPP 1.5
nforce mcp 1.65
ht nforce spp 1.4
CPU PULL IS 1.7
and can you please explain to me little bit more about the FSB HOLE?:eek:
ReverendMaynard
02-04-2010, 04:25 PM
Could be a hole for sure. Mine had problems from 360 - 401.
By chance, have you run a memtest?
what do you think this setting
cpu voltage 1.5000
cpu fsb 1.5
memory 2.1
nforce SPP 1.5
nforce mcp 1.65
ht nforce spp 1.4
CPU PULL IS 1.7
and can you please explain to me little bit more about the FSB HOLE?:eek:
If anything they're high. FSB holes were a phenomenon with nVidia chipsets from 570/590 up to the 790i. You can hit the dirt at 1600 fsb then be 100% stable at 1601. Crazy shat.
Those voltages may be ok.... I wouldn't crank the fsb that high just yet. I was talking 1475mhz... . guess I should have been more clear.
When on the 780, You WILL hit a few "holes" while climbing in fsb freq. where you will have unexplained crashes and no-posts. I still have my board, but haven't clocked her in a whiiiiiiile, so it's hard for me to remember where and how big each hole was. The one I hit in the area you are now was friggin huge though. There was well over a 50mhz (fsb) gap where nothing would happen. I have it written down somewhere....
Punx talked me through it, and eventually I came out the other side and was back in business until I hit the next hole.
You just gotta jump over the hole..... it's a lot easier than working through it. :thumbsup:
edit: DOH! ^^^ took a while to post, was recapping my work mobo and typing at the same time.
Kal-EL
02-04-2010, 04:33 PM
Isn't it supposed to be set without vdroop so that you don't get the disparity between setting voltage at 1.5 in bios and getting 1.4 in windows?
Shouldn't you be disabling all the spread spectrums as well?
Isn't it supposed to be set without vdroop so that you don't get the disparity between setting voltage at 1.5 in bios and getting 1.4 in windows?
Shouldn't you be disabling all the spread spectrums as well?
Well, at least one of us is paying attention to the settings.... :ohcrap:
Kal-EL
02-04-2010, 04:47 PM
Also the bsod you are getting is a heavy hitter bsod. Either:
1- You are overheating badly under load (which doesnt appear so)
2- the system absolutely hates the dividers you are using or
3- your vcore is much too low (Try using "without vdroop" and walking the votlages up again slowly from your base)
Rogue210
02-04-2010, 08:41 PM
Well, at least one of us is paying attention to the settings.... :ohcrap:
U mean ur suppose to pay attention to the settings?!?!? Does red mean bad:shock: hee hee
kikicoco1334
02-06-2010, 04:56 PM
thank you guys so much i am done with testing this week i monna play with it a little bit
i am going to try the thing you guys said and see what;s up then
turn off the vdrop and all the spread spectrums
so brb =)
kikicoco1334
02-06-2010, 05:48 PM
omg! you guys are awesome! i turned off the vdrop (with out vdrop) and all the spread spectrums and it's stable now! very stable!
just got done with super pi 32m and 0.15.08.513 with no prob
just real quick what is vdrop? i thought it's that so your computer will not over voltage when it's turned on and help you overclock < that's what evga's offical said (can't remember where in evga)
and also what is that hmmm... can't remember what was i gonna say anymore i'll add it when i do
thx
gonna post my new thing on hwbot now =)
kikicoco1334
02-06-2010, 05:54 PM
oh yeah! i was posting on hwbot an remembered that why is there not very many people using 780i FTW overclocking and hit the cups vs. using the normal 780i and get more cups?
http://hwbot.org/hardware/chipset/nforce_780i_sli
shouldn't 780i FTW supose be the awesome awesome overclocking board in the 780i's go to list?
Kal-EL
02-06-2010, 09:47 PM
vdrop is the sag in voltages from what you set in the bios to what you get in windows. Without vdrop removes the sag.
780i , 780i ftw, all of them 780i's were sketchy unless you were lucky and had a good board.
ReverendMaynard
02-07-2010, 04:10 AM
isn't there a pencil mod out there that helps even more than the bios compensation?
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2839/dsc045931212121212121il9.png
take the resistance from 100k to 10k, just like the 680i's.
On the FTW version you can do that digitally..... Pencil's for version like mine (A1)
ReverendMaynard
02-07-2010, 05:33 AM
roger that.
kikicoco1334
02-07-2010, 07:29 AM
i see, but why is there so little people overclock with the 780i ftw or get a good result with it?
Imo, the FTW version came right around the time most people got sick of the 780i in general. Many rma's came for that board for many reasons. Another reason was the price.... If I was going to pay that much for it when it came out, I might as well go ahead and grab a 790i.
kikicoco1334
02-07-2010, 07:46 AM
Imo, the FTW version came right around the time most people got sick of the 780i in general. Many rma's came for that board for many reasons. Another reason was the price.... If I was going to pay that much for it when it came out, I might as well go ahead and grab a 790i.
i see makes perfect sense..:Hi:
when i got my 780i ftw it was on ebay for one and two it has a broken sata port so the dude was like free shipping and $68 something like that =):laughing:
but what's so bad about the 780i or even the 680i?
some of my friends are using the 680i it looks fine to me...
The main problem I see with most 780's is a weak-ass mem controller. Also, the chips can be real volt-pigs. Tbh I liked mine, and have had issues, but nothing major during its punishment. I was one of the lucky ones though.
The nb on mine has a bad heat issue now and gets unstable above stock... Hopefully going extreme on it will give me one last run before she dies completely and is off to rma land.
The 680's have stronger mem controllers. The 780's have tri-sli support. Other than that the boards are basically the same.
kikicoco1334
02-07-2010, 08:57 AM
yeah my board got real bad sb overheating issues like my nb is running somewhere around 35ish and my sb will be at at least 53+and because i have a GTX260 there is really no way i can do anything to the cooler... =:(
i am thinking when i get my 7 system up running i monna take out the 260 and turn it in to like a tri sli and drop a 7950GT or something like a HD4350 in it and then mod the sb a little
I ended up porting chilled air into the case... that helps the board a lot... if no case, then port the air over the sb/gpu area... running raid through the sb adds more heat than gfx cards do...
kikicoco1334
02-07-2010, 09:37 AM
i am not running raid, but i did have cfc sb cooling one time lol
kikicoco1334
02-09-2010, 05:42 AM
i think i just found out what my bottle neck is on most of my overclocking is not....
i have always though it was the ram but my ocz Reaper can really oc to somewhere around 1066 5-5-5-15 (5-4-4 can be done but not VERY stable)
but my motherboard temp! mainly on the sb on my 780i and nb on my old ex58-ud4p they run very HOT! my sb on my 780 is always 50C+ and when everything is less than 40
nashville tennessee is snowing right now when i get out of class (1150hr) i should be home 1230hr i will leave my system out side for 30min or so and try overclock please stay tuned and i will post pictures tonight! ^_,^
Neuromancer
02-09-2010, 06:41 AM
U mean ur suppose to pay attention to the settings?!?!? Does red mean bad:shock: hee hee
Red, bad? Some consider it a starting point :):thumbsup:
kikicoco1334
02-09-2010, 02:06 PM
so i am back...
i was never able to break the 4GHz mark with my 780i FTW + Q6600 no matter what i do.. even with LN2!
and then i looked at the temp on the baord W-T-F! the SB tem is 50+ @ all time! so today it's snowing outside and i took the computer out and give a little juice and it went really well! last time i did this i fed up something bad in the settingit didn't work =) now i am all happy!
thanks to
kal's search
411 and ReverendMaynard's ideas and suggestions
just got 6 more points for the team!
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/1008644.png (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1008644)
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/958461_kikicoco1334_cpu_z_core_2_q6600_2.4ghz_4059 .12_mhz?tab=info
Neuromancer
02-09-2010, 05:01 PM
Glad you got it all worked out. 4GHz on a Q6600 is not easy.
kikicoco1334
02-09-2010, 07:02 PM
thank you so much for answering all my stupid questions
i will be posting the steps soon
kikicoco1334
02-15-2010, 05:57 PM
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/716/dsc02787b.jpg
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3300/dsc02786h.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4290/dsc02785v.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5758/dsc02784ie.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3066/dsc02783vi.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3622/dsc02778.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6900/dsc02755h.jpg
here is my base setting in bios to achieve 4.0GHz on the Q6600 lol:laughing:
but i just CAN NOT get over 4.07:Dizzy:
any ideas guys?
btw i am using ClockGen
I would try a lower SPP volts and looser timings if you haven't already.
4.07 is a nasty clock for a q6600! Good stuff dude. :thumbsup:
kikicoco1334
02-16-2010, 08:18 AM
thank you~
my ram is really not holding me back from oc at least i dont think i tried to just overclock my ram to 1066 with 5-4-4-12(?) maybe 15 and it went and ran very stable....
so i don't THINK is the ram that's holding my back
why lower spp?
i will try it real quick thank you
I have no clue why, as I'm no memory master, but loosening the sub timings at high clocks will help a ton.
Lower the SPP a notch at a time until it boots right. Too much nb voltage can make the system act a fool. :laughing: It's just a thought, as some nvidia boards want more volts while others like less.
kikicoco1334
03-02-2010, 05:29 AM
I have no clue why, as I'm no memory master, but loosening the sub timings at high clocks will help a ton.
Lower the SPP a notch at a time until it boots right. Too much nb voltage can make the system act a fool. :laughing: It's just a thought, as some nvidia boards want more volts while others like less.
thank you..
my system will not go over what i got right now...:Dizzy:
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/1013215.png (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1013215)
just wait till my spring break!