hwbot Hands Out a Lifetime Ban

[Chuchnit]

Westsider's i7 960 records removed from HWBOT

Maintaining an overclocking database holding over 400.000 results is definitely not an easy task and once in a while people question the legitimacy of certain scores. Georgian overclocker Westsider has very recently submitted world record breaking scores in the Wprime 4xCPU categories and the details of the scores made some people suspicious about the scores. High voltage and extreme cold have never gone hand in hand with the Bloomfield CPUs, just to name two reasons.

Link (http://hwbot.org/article/newsflash/538_westsiders_i7_960_records_removed_from_hwbot)

[Kal-EL]

Cheater cheater, jackfruit eater!

[Chuchnit]

Cheater cheater, jackfruit eater!

I sure hope we never have to go through the humiliation of having a dumbass cheater on our team. I don't see that being a problem though. :good:

[Kal-EL]

I sure hope we never have to go through the humiliation of having a dumbass cheater on our team. I don't see that being a problem though. :good:

Echo that man, echo that!

[DrNip]

Doh!

[Dentlord]

Eye can haz WR :D

[MaadDaawg]

Eye can haz WR :D

:rofl: no one would ever catch that Dent :rofl:

[Splave]

^ I can tell because your ram speed seems chopped? wait wut? rofl

[Witchdoctor]

It is a shame we compete where this problem exists

But as long as their is a competition in anything people will try to find away around the rules :thumbdown:

There should be a method for finding these guys and beating them with in an inch of their lives ........

That may be a bit extreme though ............. LOL

[Chuchnit]

It is a shame we compete where this problem exists

But as long as their is a competition in anything people will try to find away around the rules :thumbdown:

There should be a method for finding these guys and beating them with in an inch of their lives ........

That may be a bit extreme though ............. LOL

This crap happens in anything that's competitive. Lets just be thankful that they caught it. :good:

[FACE]

ROFL.... what a toolbag.

So should the guys taking up for him be combed over for cheats as well? Birds of a feather, you know....


It would be nice to have the bot cleaned up.... I see a lot of older submissions that need to be scrutinized closely. ...and I mean a LOT. :keeporder:

[thebanik]

It is a shame we compete where this problem exists

But as long as their is a competition in anything people will try to find away around the rules :thumbdown:

There should be a method for finding these guys and beating them with in an inch of their lives ........

That may be a bit extreme though ............. LOL

arent we the extreme guyz???

[Witchdoctor]

ROFL ..............

Face man I have never really looked at any posts there ....

only when looking to see what flavor card and mem size the top guys are using ...

Not sure if it is our place to police that site ...... Plus I am sure everyone would start busting our balls as well ... I know I have made a few mistakes in mine

Just had a Vantage run hit for physics .... it was not intentional probably just a late night drunkin overclocking sesion and I missed it in the control panel .... :ohcrap:

I had no problem though with someone pointing it out ... Just a mistake
I also had a few that I had cores inserted not CPU's .... Had a gold for 4 cores on a prime run ............ LOL

Splave pointed it out to me that there were looking for CPU's not cores

so it is hard to say ... this one was blatent with intent .. but I would hate to see someone banned for a simple mistake .....

[FACE]

Oh, I didn't mean with the intent of banning..... I could care less if someone gets banned or not. I have to admit it does make me smile though.

Although I find it hard to believe some of these scores, especially 3d scores, that are impossible to even come close too at the same or better clocks and timings, even more so when you know you have everything running to the max efficiency. We're not idiots, and it is easy to see a score that stinks.... Hell, I can run SLI/CF, disable the link after the bench, and crank the gpu clock at idle for the screenie... any retard can do that.

It's hard to determine though from a moderation stand point. I get that. The bencher should have to be able to produce multiple results and show more info on the hardware when asked.... if that can't happen then the sub should be bunked.... Those who put up 3dmark scores 2000 marks above the pack should be forced to give multiple screenies showing all info possible, and the futuremark/orb link shit needs to be put away...

I'm a "show me" kind of guy. Orb links are absolute shit to me... a lot of you already know that. :Hi: Too easy to fake it unless the scrennie is there... If it's good for one, it should be good for all. Older subs that passed the "rules" back then that do not now should have an asterisk next to it, and orb links should only be a partial validation. BOOM there goes the dynamite. :cool3:

[Splave]

flaggin posts makes you look like a little crying baby though apparently thats what i was told

[ReverendMaynard]

flaggin posts makes you look like a little crying baby though apparently thats what i was told

ahh but that's when you flag what....80 in a day? ROFL.

[Witchdoctor]

:party:Plenty of watch dogs on the other teams IMHO ....

Let them dick with it.

For me I just try to make sure my shit is posted correct as some nights using the one eye closed technoligy to even see the sceen.......... LOL

[Jor-El]

1 out 10,000 out there... Good for HWbot but those bans should be given in daily basis...

[rickss69]

I normally only flag if someone is in my way or if it is just ridiculous and I happen to run across it.

[FACE]

1 out 10,000 out there... Good for HWbot but those bans should be given in daily basis...

Sad thing is if the 'cheater' worked for one of the sponsors of the website they would have way more then only 2 chances.

^ this is sooooo true. That's another argument all together though.

maybe flagging isn't the answer here... but a few questioning comments would raise the right eyebrows hopefully. Whenever I see a questionable sub I think I'm going to do just that... question it.

I do feel that screenies should be required and should stay once posted.... if nda is an issue on the screen shot then it shouldn't be there in the first place. I'm sorry but I like to see how I stack up next to everyone on the bot... it's kind of the point isn't it? An orb link or incomplete screen shot is not enough verification, and sometimes it takes a while to figure out any foul play. I enjoy playing this game, but the guys that are pulling the top scores should have to show their hand. ;) Question it, guys... questions only hurt those with something to hide.

[Patch]

Sounds like a big cheat here, but it brings up some issues.

I'm constantly learning things in this biz. While it was stated that "everyone knows" about the 2XL cache in CPU-z - I didn't. Not until I read that.

Everything makes more sense the more experience I get. I got no real tech background and am kind of a monkey pressing buttons and pouring LN2.

But I'm a little uncomfortable with the reasoning that a certain uncore, voltage, and coldbug are "impossible". What that really means is that they're impossible for the little guy. Who knows what kind of random golden CPU somebody can get? There's a certain "impossible" 975 used by a certain German all the time. If I had first posted his CPU clock/coldbug I'd be flagged.

[thebanik]

Now that his teammates/country mates gave some justification, tell me guyz, how exactly could he have cheated??? He could not have used a 980X or a i5 to get to that score, then how????
Though I agree lots of first in there to make it really a bit hard to believe score, and add in a bug(if it is a bug), it becomes harder but still I am not able to understand the method of cheating.......

[Splave]

lol the guy tryed to use gutterz cpu-z as backup

http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=57071&postcount=27

[Chuchnit]

Guys we have beat this horse over and over. Lets not get on this train please? This is about a ban of ONE individual for accusations of cheating. Let's just discuss this instead of all the faults we have with the system. If that's where it stays this thread will be locked down.

Chuchnit


Now that his teammates/country mates gave some justification, tell me guyz, how exactly could he have cheated??? He could not have used a 980X or a i5 to get to that score, then how????
Though I agree lots of first in there to make it really a bit hard to believe score, and add in a bug(if it is a bug), it becomes harder but still I am not able to understand the method of cheating.......

I thought the same thing about what other CPU could get that score? I've been on the road so I haven't seen the reasoning his teammates have given. I'll go check them out now.

[FACE]

ROFL..... that's kinda low there. That is a known good cpuz dump. All the math checks on it.

Looks like I see a poop cloud building in the horizon... a storm's a brewein'

[HITandRUN]

flaggin posts makes you look like a little crying baby though apparently thats what i was told

He He! Its more like a big baby in your case! ;) :D Seriously I'm sure there is tons of cheaters there which is pretty sad. :keeporder:

[FACE]

Guys we have beat this horse over and over. Lets not get on this train please? This is about a ban of ONE individual for accusations of cheating. Let's just discuss this instead of all the faults we have with the system. If that's where it stays this thread will be locked down.

Chuchnit

Sorry bro. I just can't stand cheaters at any game, even Monopoly or checkers. It lights a special fire under my ass that makes my blood boil.... I'll be good :D

[Patch]

Guys we have beat this horse over and over. Lets not get on this train please? This is about a ban of ONE individual for accusations of cheating. Let's just discuss this instead of all the faults we have with the system. If that's where it stays this thread will be locked down.


Don't know if that's in response to my post, but I didn't mean to start an us vs them gripefest.

Here's my point: I don't like the argument that a clock speed, impossible uncore, and especially an impossible coldbug are given a lot of weight in Westside's case. While certainly unusual, they aren't so out of line to be impossible. Impossible golden CPU's are all over the bot and they aren't all cheats by default.

I ain't supporting a cheat - looks like lots of reasons for a cheated score. But I implore folks to bring the pitch forks and torches in a rational manner. :D

I dream of someday having a CPU or GPU worthy of getting flagged as impossible.

[Chuchnit]

Don't know if that's in response to my post, but I didn't mean to start an us vs them gripefest.

Here's my point: I don't like the argument that a clock speed, impossible uncore, and especially an impossible coldbug are given a lot of weight in Westside's case. While certainly unusual, they aren't so out of line to be impossible. Impossible golden CPU's are all over the bot and they aren't all cheats by default.

I ain't supporting a cheat - looks like lots of reasons for a cheated score. But I implore folks to bring the pitch forks and torches in a rational manner. :D

I dream of someday having a CPU or GPU worthy of getting flagged as impossible.

No worries Patch. The no CB is bullshyte. My old W3580 had no CB, but that didn't mean it went any faster than -120c either. Uncore was rediculous on it too. On dice I could run 4800mhz+ in triple channel. On air 4450mhz was about the limit. Just a "golden" chip but it was ES.


What I was talking about was some post were re-hatching discussions in threads prior to this. Plus there were hints of accusing other people, without naming names, of cheating. We don't need that crap. We need to just focus on what we do and do it the RIGHT way. :thumbsup: Discussion about this perma-ban at hwbot is the only thing going on here; or some other OT shyt like we always end up on. ;):D

[Gutterz]

lol I new that shit was fake. I was a lil bummed that I lost cups. Anyhow their all back home now.
Bye-Bye Westsider.

On another note I can run 5.1Ghz uncore, Triple channel maybe a differant story thow.

[Chuchnit]

lol I new that shit was fake. I was a lil bummed that I lost cups. Anyhow their all back home now.
Bye-Bye Westsider.

On another note I can run 5.1Ghz uncore, Triple channel maybe a differant story thow.

What was the reasoning behind linking to your CPU-Z in the thread over there? I missed the point. :Dizzy:

[Gutterz]

I didnt link anything. I dont understand either????

[FACE]

What was the reasoning behind linking to your CPU-Z in the thread over there? I missed the point. :Dizzy:

Finger pointing that's all..... That guy was pointing out Gutterz' 960 dump calling it a bugged run.

[Chuchnit]

I didnt link anything. I dont understand either????

One of his cronies linked your CPU-Z in the thread. I guess they were calling you a cheat.

Finger pointing that's all..... That guy was pointing out Gutterz' 960 dump calling it a bugged run.

Lame-ass. :thumbdown:

[Gutterz]

Yep they caught me I cheated that cpu-z for a mear 4.4 points or whatever. I so pawned them all. suckers. Lmao

[FACE]

Yep they caught me I cheated that cpu-z for a mear 4.4 points or whatever. I so pawned them all. suckers. Lmao

You sneaky bastard.... lmao....

Do you still have the rest of your dumps? You know since this is started they might want some extra verification or something....

[Gutterz]

I got dumps back to 07. They can come after me if they want. I can even show them the walk up.
Once I figure this retarted RE3 out the 960 is going back in an I think I might beable to do 5.9, the 960 battle isnt over yet.

[FACE]

I wanna see a 6ghz bloomfield :ohcrap:

GO GUTTERZ

[Assassin48]

I wanna see a 6ghz bloomfield :ohcrap:

GO GUTTERZ
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1077398 :shock:

[Gutterz]

nice run assassin lol

[Hondacity]

lol 5.9

anybody have westsider's cpuz validation?

i missed his subs