going 939 crazy here.........

[ny_driver]

After bricking the bios on my Ultra-D I have been doing some shopping. I just bought an SLI-DR Expert with everything...it looks brand new. I bought an Ultra-D in the same condition last night, but for very cheap. I have an SLI-DR sitting at the PO right now which was also pretty cheap and shipped ultra fast.

:blush:I've also managed to somehow buy 3 other Ultra-Ds. I'll sell 2 of them to make back the money spent on the Expert.

Last night I found 4 x 256MB Geil PC4000 cas2 for $1.25 at the bay. They are very fast...handpicked samsung TCCD/ brainpower pcb.

My Opteron 154 which I hope is a top notch chip, will get here tomorrow.:)

Working on some other good stuff too. :cool3:

I figure with the 3 best overclocking 939 motherboards, a few good chips, a handful of pointers, and some determination, I should be able to break some records.

I'm not crazy, am I?:laughing: EDIT: maybe I should have said THIS doesn't make me crazy, does it?

[Kal-EL]

Um, we don't use the "crazy" word, we'll just say you're "Certified" :P

[Mr.Scott]

You'll find that the Expert board has very limited modded bios choices and actually performs worse (quirkier) than a regular Ultra D. I'd sell that one for a premium. If you want better than the Ultra D you need to find a Venus board.
Good luck with your 939 adventures. I'm actually working 939's right now for the Dec. challange. Between myself and Opty, we're keeping CP at #1 for now in said challange. I hope to maintain that.

[ny_driver]

Thanks for the advice :thumbsup:.

Hopefully between myself, my new Opty that just got dropped off, the FX-55, and the SLI-DR with the Gold VX I can have some very nice results by the end of the day.

Temperatures are dropping.....time to have some fun.

[Hondacity]

is ny_driver from classicplatforms ..and just joined us for spying?

LOL i joke

[ny_driver]

I'm definitely down with classic platforms:).........but I'm OCA all the way, you guys took me in off the streets of cyberspace and make me feel right at home. I now have a purpose in life again. ;)

[ny_driver]

UPDATE#1: I'm pleased to announce that the SLI-DR works fine, and the FX-55 too. Time to go set that shit up outside where it's COLD. :cool3:

[Kal-EL]

I'm definitely down with classic platforms:).........but I'm OCA all the way, you guys took me in off the streets of cyberspace and make me feel right at home. I now have a purpose in life again. ;)
:hug:

[ny_driver]

UPDATE#2: the new memory is no good...............OCZ Gold VX pc4000 2 x 512MB 2-2-2-8@3.3v garbage. :thumbdown:

[Bones]

You'll find that the Expert board has very limited modded bios choices and actually performs worse (quirkier) than a regular Ultra D. I'd sell that one for a premium. If you want better than the Ultra D you need to find a Venus board.
Good luck with your 939 adventures. I'm actually working 939's right now for the Dec. challange. Between myself and Opty, we're keeping CP at #1 for now in said challange. I hope to maintain that.

I'll be helping out as well in my own way. :blush:
Maybe I'll do alright but with the luck I've been having lately, I'm not assuming anything yet.

Sorry to hear the new RAM is crap NY but that's how it goes sometimes.
As long as it's not throwing errors, it's still good for something but if you really don't want it, I need a few spare sticks for everyday (Non-OC'ing) useage.

[Mr.Scott]

UPDATE#2: the new memory is no good...............OCZ Gold VX pc4000 2 x 512MB 2-2-2-8@3.3v garbage. :thumbdown:
What do you want for it?:)

[ny_driver]

It's trash....tried it on another system and all I got was the bad memory beep out of each and both sticks. I only was able to run memtest on them on the SLI-DR because it's built into the BIOS.

I'll test further later because I'd really like to get them to work, but if I can't crank them up then what's the point? I'll get a refund I think.....and I'm sure they are lifetime guaranteed, but they wouldn't have any worthwhile replacements.

Maybe at least 2 of the 4 x 256MB Geil pc4000 I got for $1.25 will be good.

EDIT: not sure Mr.Scott......it's possible that they will work after freezing.

[Bones]

Yes, you can try that to see how it goes.

Good luck and at least you know someone out there will give 'em a good home if you decide to be rid of them for whatever reason - I know I could use them for something (Maybe).

[ny_driver]

I sure picked a cold night to set up on the back porch, but should have some pretty good results unless the chips are duds. I have a sweet spot outside next to fireplace, but it's snowing a little. Maybe it'll be clear tomorrow.

I think I'm going to get a waterblock for my chipset so I can chill it down to ambient like my GPU......I guess I could insulate that area also and freeze the chipset, I just need a way to chill the high voltage memory I bought that doesn't work. The plan is ever changing.

[Jor-El]

I tried to power the DFI Nf4 Sli I gt from Cecil today and no luck all I get is lit 4 red leds and fans at full speed no post.

You know what that is?

Sorry for high jacking your thread buddy.

[ny_driver]

I personally don't know, haven't encountered that problem yet. Have you looked in the manual at the post led codes. I'll look into a little later today.

[ocgmj]

Press down on the BIOS chip.

[ny_driver]

This picture belongs in this thread also. Going to be many more pictures in the near future. I have 4 more boards coming in shipments from all over the country. I'm going to keep the Expert, the SLI-DR, and 1 Ultra-D.....plus my dead one for parts. I'll have 2 Ultra-Ds for sale if they both work.

[Mr.Scott]

I tried to power the DFI Nf4 Sli I gt from Cecil today and no luck all I get is lit 4 red leds and fans at full speed no post.

You know what that is?

Sorry for high jacking your thread buddy.
That's the 4 LED's of death. You can try a new bios chip, sometimes it works, most of the time it means the board is shot.
I forgot, make sure the ram is in the orange slots.

[ny_driver]

btw...that new BIOS chip I got didn't fix the Ultra.

EDIT: nice new Ultra will be here tomorrow.

[ny_driver]

Mr.Scott can you diagnose this problem please?
Board had been working great all day in the garage. I finally brought it inside and put the freezer on the cpu tonight and it was working excellent, until I increased the vcore to 123%, which should have been ~1.8v ......... when I hit save and went to boot up it started to and just quit. Now when I hit the power button the 4 LEDs light up and the board powers on momentarily, and then shuts back down.
I tried reset cmos and take battery out/ unplug for a few. Perhaps it was just coincidence when it decided to quit....maybe the board is CB.

Any ideas? Thanks again.

EDIT: Shit, wow,....I tried another PSU and the symptoms changed to the 4 LEDS of death that you mentioned earlier. Could I use the bios chip from an Ultra-D in it?

[Mr.Scott]

That board is shot, and yes, you can use the bios chip in the other board, but you need to flash it to the right bios.

[ny_driver]

That board is shot, and yes, you can use the bios chip in the other board, but you need to flash it to the right bios.

Thank you for the reply.
Did you mean I need to pre-flash it to the right BIOS, or it will work but need flashing?

The board is dead anyways and that was the only SLI-DR I had.....so it doesn't really matter atm, but just curious.

More boards for me to kill just came today. :thumbsup:

[ny_driver]

Well I got 3 Ultra-Ds today and the 2 that I thought might not work are working fine, although 1 is missing the power button and the chipset fan is dead on the other. I should be able to maybe replace the button with one from another board.

Plus take a look at the one I got for $40 shipped priority that's barely even been out of the box. No dust or any signs of wear. Nothing has been opened and the box is perfect. I'm going to leave it right in the box until it's needed. :cool3:

[Mr.Scott]

The boards use the same bios unless it's an Expert or Venus board, those are different. All those boards use the same bios chip.

[ny_driver]

Thanks for the info. I was a little leery because the number on the bottom line of the BIOS chips are all different. So SLI and Ultra are interchangeable chips...good.

I tried the new Ultra chip in the SLI-DR last night and it made no difference.

I want to find a Venus board.

[ny_driver]

Uggghhh...I can't any of my cas2 memory to run at cas2 on the Expert....all I get is BSOD or it hangs. Normally my pc3200 is good @ 250MHz 2.5-3-2-5, but it won't even boot @ 225Mhz on the Expert. I better double check that memory on another board, but I know it's good. What could it be:blink:?

UPDATE: I put them in the Orange slots and it booted up cas2.....I can't seem to d/l the manual. Yup, just gotta put them in the Orange slots. POS.:blush:

[ny_driver]

OK things are going better with the Expert now. :) I put it on the chiller. I have the art of kneaded eraser figured out pretty well now so the board and socket are always perfectly moisture free when I remove the eraser. Even after several days of playing. :thumbsup: After 3 days I noticed moisture on the back side of the board/socket....it's tough to get air in there so I covered the back with Dragon Skin.

Then I realized these old GPU blocks I have are about the same size as the chipset area........so I made a chipset block. :cool3: It works great, just as good as one I could have bought for $30-40.

Tomorrow I'm going to put the chipset before the GPU because it gets hot....I think I saw 35C with 1.96v :taunt:

EDIT: it's held in place with 9-ply nylon waxed lacing cord and it's on there nice and snug.

[Hondacity]

that looks purdy :D

[ny_driver]

Put the chipset first and now she's idling @ 25C w/ stock voltage. I bet it doesn't break 30C with 1.96v now.:shock: .............and the GPU is still too cold @ 14C right now I better crank some voltages..

[Neuromancer]

IIRC the DFI boards were the only ones cable of running even tighter than CAS2. (1, 1.5)

Don't know why the board would matter since it is an IMC... but that is what I recall.

[ny_driver]

I went to get some coffee(10 minutes) and when I got back the screen was black and the system was still running. :blink:

I couldn't get it to POST again. Couldn't get anything(no LEDS), so I reset cmos, removed battery, unplugged and held button in awhile to drain.........and when I tried again I got the 4LEDS. Now I get either the 4LEDS and cant even power off, or nothing at all. Mostly nothing at all, but once in awhile it powers.

I wonder what happened?

[Mr.Scott]

Dude, you've killed more hardware in a week, than I have in the last 5 years.:shock:

[Hondacity]

Dude, you've killed more hardware in a week, than I have in the last 5 years.:shock:

our friends here are still learning..what is safe and what kills ...and hopefully they catch up of whats called...degradation ..lol

[ny_driver]

I can see that maybe I killed the chip, although I don't see why 1.8v ended it's life so suddenly. And this board seemed to just die, it was weird. (that Ultra was more than a week ago;)) Anyways I've tried swapping out each and every component so must be this one is dead....the others were a dead cpu yet undiscovered.

I thought degradation was like an over time kinda thing, not so much all of a sudden?

[Hondacity]

degradation ...can be quick or slow...and eventually kill a cpu.

[ny_driver]

:blink:WOW....something new each day to look forward to playing with these old motherboards. This morning I find that I get absolutely no display from my 4890, so I install the other 4890 and I get display, but it won't get past the LanParty screen. Won't boot even at "optimized defaults".

Again it was working just perfect last night, and there have been no leaks or anything. I'm starting to think there is a little computer Gremlin playing on my system in the night.

EDIT: I caught the Gremlin his name is ny_driver. I left the External/usb drive plugged in last night so it wouldn't boot, which I realized only as I was unplugging everything for removal. And I got the 4890 wetter than I thought. I didn't think any coolant snuck down behind the block yesterday, but I was wrong and it took until this morning for it to seep in where it was a problem. Maybe it'll work when it's dry.

[ny_driver]

Opty152 installed and frozen. Life is good. :thumbsup: It seems to go just as far on stock volts as the 154 did which seems like a very good sign to me.

Still drying the 4890.

[ny_driver]

.........so anyways I got 3650Mhz out of the(2.6GHz)152s, but I now think I can take them further. I just tested a (2GHz)146 and got it to 3701MHz so far just using the chiller. That's #5 and only 112MHz off the WR........I should try my luck with some DICE soon.

Just thought I'd let you know I'm still going 939 crazy, and I finally broke 100 boints :taunt:

EDIT: and I fixed that motherboard from 2 posts ago yesterday. Somehow 2 traces got cut next to the cpu socket. Fortunately they were not right next to each other and I easily patched them up with a circuit writer pen. Good as new. :cool3:

EDIT: only 97MHz off now....gotta get some DICE. Still one more chip to test though. :clapping:

[Hondacity]

wow 100pts and fixing boards :D

good work bro...lovin the gold trophies :D

[ny_driver]

Thanks, me too. Too bad most of the gold trophies will disappear as soon as the Bot gets its shit straight. I got a few 1st out of 1, when it really was like 2nd out of 4. I'll be losing a few half points, but I shall be adding to the total again today.;)

[Bones]

If they do take some points away, just take them back - You can do it!

Good to see you got those NY-No-Drivin gremlins sorted out. :goofy:

I'd get the DICE and see what's left in those chips but if it looks like you'll do even better, I'd wait until the crap settles, then stir it up again on your own terms, not theirs.

[ny_driver]

Well Bones, I have some good news for you. This chip is awesome, you're going to love it. I managed to pull down nearly 20 points with the 146 so far without DICE. It's just as strong as the day I got it.(yesterday) ;) Gonna pop the 2nd one in tomorrow and see if I can beat 3716MHz.

I just picked up a 3200+ Venice for $12, and 2 x 3500+ Venice for $9 each. You have one of those right?

[ny_driver]

UPDATE: I have been benching PCMark05 with my GPU @ 2x instead of 16x for past 4 chips. Hopefully that makes a pretty good difference.

:thumbdown: DFI and there 2x "16x" slots where 1 is 16x when solo, but the other is 2x when solo and when in SLI both only 8x. I don't like using the top slot it makes everything too crowded. Oh well I got it straightened out and the chipset block is mounted even better now.

[Hondacity]

oh sheet ..chipset is watercooled :D

umm is that the northbridge?

i need your address btw... :D

[ny_driver]

I think the chipset is like NB......I'm certainly no expert though. I took an old GPU block I had and it fits in there perfectly, well actually much larger than the chipset but there is JUST enough room for it. :)

PMing you now.

[Hondacity]

well if thats the nb for the amd...you'll surely push the fsb higher...awesome work..looks clean too..

i only use 3/8ID tubes now..they're smaller and cheaper...and easier to route..

[ny_driver]

Thanks alot. I pride myself in my rig looking pretty neat and unique....the bench definitely needs a paint job though. I tie up all the cables with waxed nylon lacing cord. The stuff rules if you know how to tiie a knot or two. It's how I attached the chipset block too. I'm just re-using a blue garden hose that I drove over the threads on.

I'm going to figure out how to untint my camera today dammit!

FSB seems to be limited to about 370ish on this board no matter what I adjust. I have seen some very high FSB on other DFI LP NF4 boards, but haven't tested the FSB on the others yet. It's on my list though.

[Bones]

Well Bones, I have some good news for you. This chip is awesome, you're going to love it. I managed to pull down nearly 20 points with the 146 so far without DICE. It's just as strong as the day I got it.(yesterday) ;) Gonna pop the 2nd one in tomorrow and see if I can beat 3716MHz.

I just picked up a 3200+ Venice for $12, and 2 x 3500+ Venice for $9 each. You have one of those right?

No Venice chips (Yet) but hoping I get the one from the contest. That was my first choice of prizes so I could at least have one, even if it's not a newer chip or the best stepping.

[ny_driver]

No Venice chips (Yet) but hoping I get the one from the contest. That was my first choice of prizes so I could at least have one, even if it's not a newer chip or the best stepping.
Well I have an extra 3500 coming in a few days.......glad someone needs it.

[Hondacity]

what is max vnb? maybe we can ask our mod specialists to have a look at your board and recommend mods...

[ny_driver]

If by vnb you mean chipset voltage it goes up to 1.96v, and the LDT voltage goes up to 1.5v.......and the memory and vcore go as high as you could want.

The board is DFI LP UT NF4 SLI-DR Expert. I also have a regular SLI-DR and an Ultra-D I'd be glad to have modded.

EDIT/UPDATE: I gained 500 points in PCMark05 with the gpu @ 16x, not enough for the next spot on any of the 4 chips so screw it.

[ny_driver]

oh sheet ..chipset is watercooled :D

umm is that the northbridge?

i need your address btw... :D

The cpu is cooled by the coolant in the chiller directly flowing through the water-block. And the chipset/gpu loop is also cooled by the chiller but to a lesser degree by having the loop just pass through the chiller bath. I get no condensation that way.
The gpu stays a little below ambient and the chipset right @ ambient which is 21.5C right now.

Pretty smart eh?;)

[Neuromancer]

If by vnb you mean chipset voltage it goes up to 1.96v, and the LDT voltage goes up to 1.5v.......and the memory and vcore go as high as you could want.

The board is DFI LP UT NF4 SLI-DR Expert. I also have a regular SLI-DR and an Ultra-D I'd be glad to have modded.

EDIT/UPDATE: I gained 500 points in PCMark05 with the gpu @ 16x, not enough for the next spot on any of the 4 chips so screw it.

Are you forcing 3D clocks? Not sure how to do it on ATI and it seems like all the top pc05ers are running ATI....

[ny_driver]

Nope not forcing anything other than Ocing the core and voltage with afterburner.

[Neuromancer]

Quick search shows using profiles. Create and save a profile, and then open up the XML file and change all want_0 settings to 3D values.

[ny_driver]

I will have to try that today and see if my score goes up. I need a better card to reach the next spot up on the list. There is no doubt. I'm sure there are PCM05 tweaks to learn.

[ny_driver]

.....................and the craziness continues. :ohcrap:

---So far I've benched Optys 154,152,146, and on the way for $10 is a 144, and the 170 dual-core that I won using the 154 that was way too expensive(now deceased-RIP).

---Benched Athlon 64 3200+ Venice, 3500+ Venice, 3500+ New Castle(938-pin...lol), 3700+ San Diego, and I have on the way 2 x 3000+ Venice along with another 3200+ Venice, and a Sempron 3200 of some sort.

---Benched 64x2 4200+ Manchester.

---Benched FX-53 and FX-55.

Opty 146 rules so far imho with the 86% overclock I got with just my chiller(91% is #1).:cool3: It looks like there is potential for a 100% overclock on the 144:taunt:

THEN>>>>>>>>>>>it's time to fire up the new Intel Rig and try it out on the chiller bench. I got an MSI Big Bang with a 920DO for starters. I'm pretty excited. :D

Benching Rules :thumbsup:........well, next to snowmobiling and sex.

EDIT: Nothing left to bench today except this old 462 stuff...I have 4 chips........but I must modify trhe socket to fit the chiller block. Got to grind down the part that says socket 462 on it to the height of the core.

[Hondacity]

just hold down the chiller block...lol

[ny_driver]

lol.....it would be crooked and not touching at all.

Got it all hooked up, but I think all my IDE drives are bad. Maybe some day I'll bench those chips, but back to socket 939 tomorrow......and then on to more modern stuff.

Dying to hook up this X-power!

EDIT: I decided to give it another try with TinyXP instead of 7 and it worked, now I must bench and my back hurts from shoveling.

[Bones]

Claimed the Venice chip as you've probrably noticed by now. Good thing I had a decent DC run too since I also won something there.

Man, I'm happy to see you got the 170 - It's a good stepping and date too, very close to what my 175 is. My 175 is an excellent chip and this one should be about the same.
Have fun with it and show us what it can do but please don't kill it.

[ny_driver]

Sweet, my Venice 3200(E6 like yours)was pretty nice. :) I hope yours is just as good. I got 3375Mhz out of mine.......but am really looking forward to receiving the Venice 3000+(boint collector) chips I bought.

Did you find the 4000+ yet.....why do you need more than 1 of them anyways? Just give me the good 1;). I have 3 chips for you now....152, 146, and 3000+Venice(E3). :taunt:

[Bones]

Sweet, my Venice 3200(E6 like yours)was pretty nice. :) I hope yours is just as good. I got 3375Mhz out of mine.......but am really looking forward to receiving the Venice 3000+(boint collector) chips I bought.

Did you find the 4000+ yet.....why do you need more than 1 of them anyways? Just give me the good 1;). I have 3 chips for you now....152, 146, and 3000+Venice(E3). :taunt:

I haven't found it yet but it's here as stated somewhere. As to why I need more than one it's simple, One is delidded and the other two aren't. I have to keep one with a lid just in case and the delidded one is the best of the bunch :) I've been using for the most part since I got these chips - It's a true keeper.
The one I'm referring to hasn't been used much at all since new and don't worry, I'll find it this weekend or I'll just send you the one I used for the comp and be done with it. It's the one I got validated at 3394MHz on H2O during my comp runs so it should be a nice one but the one I'm looking for is of the same stepping and date with similar tendencies - In fact it should perform identical to it or so close you coudn't tell the difference.

Either way, you'll be pleased.

[ny_driver]

I think I have another dead board.

Tha Expert that I repaired the traces on had been working perfectly. I benched a bunch on it since the repair.

I was testing a $15 set of 2x512 Ballistix pc4000 on it....and surprisingly the memory works very well.

But all of a sudden when I was rebooting one time I got no video...nothing to the screen, so sign of signal. I tried the other 16x slot and got the same thing.

I'm thinking my 2nd 4890 is now dead, but I put it back in the Intel and it works perfectly.

The board starts up and goes through the sequence all the way to the last light and that stays on. Retested after overnight CMOS clear and same results.

Any ideas? I admit I haven't even tried to search for an answer yet.

I better try a different cpu, memory, and HD all 1 at a time first.

[Mr.Scott]

1 led on = vid card not detected

[ny_driver]

Thank you for that info.:thumbsup:

The video card works fine in other systems.......tested and retested. Something wrong with the board apparently if it's not detecting a card in either slot after several tries.

Any suggestions.

[Mr.Scott]

Try a different vid card, and try a PCI vid card. If you don't have one, you need one, just to diagnose problems like this. If it doesn't work with different vid card, and it works with a PCI card, the PCI-E slots are history.

[ny_driver]

OK.......the only other PCI-E card I have is a 4890 I'm about to RMA....but, it does show the splash screen with artifacts so that shuld be good enough for this test.

Don't know what a pci vid card is so I doubt I have one.

[ny_driver]

Well I tested some more and when I put my set of OCZ in I get display....Ballistix = no display, but they worked initially on this board and then on another Expert in between then and now. I tried orange and yellow slots.

Strange, I guess this calls for a few more rounds of testing and another board swap or two. :keeporder:

[Bones]

Could be a simple matter of cleaning needed.
If you have some, a can of circuit board cleaner may fix things for you. Be sure you get everything cleaned, esp down in the slots where your RAM, GPU's and all else would go.

[ny_driver]

Looks like cleaning the pci/dimm slots and the gpu/memory with QD electronic cleaner, some paper towels & a toothbrush fixed it, for now anyways.

Thanks alot Bones :thumbsup:

Now I just wonder if I'll do better benching with 2x512 @ 270ishMHz 2.5-4-4-10, or if my other stuff...2x512 @ ~250MHz 2-2-2-5 will be better?

[Bones]

Good deal NY.

That's something any board could benefit from with occasional use.

[ny_driver]

Well I got a few more cpus in :). Currently I am benching a 3000+E3....I managed to squeeze 3303MHz out of which is over 100MHz more than the 1st one and benching better.:thumbsup: I have an E6 on the way to try.

The next victim though, is the Opteron 144 with a 9x multi same as the 3000+. Should be fun........ohh and 1 more Opty 146, this one is CAB2E.

I'm highly addicted, what else can I say? I'm not buying any more........in the near future.

[DOM]

:laughing:

i got a 8800gts 512mb its also my last card unless i hit the jackpot or something

[Bones]

NY, you should be getting the one I sent sometime next week.
It's the one I used for the comp and it ran really well, you should get at least 3.4+ NO PROB since it did go almost to 3.4 on H2O.

I'm betting you'll pop the top and go at least 3.5+ with this one.

[ny_driver]

I don't like doing that.
I didn't see any improvements on the last one I did before it died of the ailments it already had. Although that chip just ran so hot it was unreal when I added any volts to it. It was reporting stupid temps like 30-40C when every other chip would have been -10 at the hottest. These single cores stay below zero even with 1.85v on the chiller unless you were benching, but I wouldn't bench with those volts.........maybe 1m:D

[Bones]

Got those chips today and I'll test them when I get a 939 setup again.

[ny_driver]

Glad they arrived safely.:)

..........here's a funny little quote from only 7 days ago.


7 days ago:
Well I got a few more cpus in ................................
I'm highly addicted, what else can I say? I'm not buying any more........in the near future.

Today:
I just bought a 148..........this chip has to be a good one, hopefully. The last 2 chips I got were duds.
:D

[Bones]

Glad they arrived safely.:)

..........here's a funny little quote from only 7 days ago.


7 days ago:


Today:
I just bought a 148..........this chip has to be a good one, hopefully. The last 2 chips I got were duds.
:D

I can promise you the one you're getting from me isn't a dud - The one you're getting is the very one I pulled off these runs with:

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2100002_bones_wprime_32m_athlon_64_4000_san_diego_ 48sec_656ms

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2100001_bones_wprime_1024m_athlon_64_4000_san_dieg o_25min_50sec_156ms

I'm not worried about showing these to you since I know you'll beat them anyway with your better cooling setup and this should let you know what kind of chip you're getting.
This chip is fairly strong and will thrive in your capable hands.

Enjoy the chip! ;)

[ny_driver]

I can promise you the one you're getting from me isn't a dud - The one you're getting is the very one I pulled off these runs with:

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2100002_bones_wprime_32m_athlon_64_4000_san_diego_ 48sec_656ms

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2100001_bones_wprime_1024m_athlon_64_4000_san_dieg o_25min_50sec_156ms

I'm not worried about showing these to you since I know you'll beat them anyway with your better cooling setup and this should let you know what kind of chip you're getting.
This chip is fairly strong and will thrive in your capable hands.

Enjoy the chip! ;)

I knew you were sending me a good one. Wasn't worried about that at all, but I paid $30 for the 148 so it better be good like the 146s and 152s we have. ;)

[ny_driver]

Got the chip and payment today Bones. Thanks.:thumbsup:

[Bones]

Set it up already and let's see some numbers! :ohcrap:

[Bones]

Did you get things fixed NY?

Having some troubles myself since the Ultra D had condensation drip onto it (Again) and letting it dry out for now. Maybe it will come back one more, maybe not. I did though get some great WPrime runs off with the 146 while things were working.

Guess you can say I've gone a bit 939 crazy myself....

[ny_driver]

Condensation comes from being well into the sub-ambient:ohcrap: What have you been up to? Sounds like it's time for some kneaded art eraser and paper towels.

3532MHz on the 4000+ so far with NO TIM. Maybe improve that today. :cool3:

[Kal-EL]

lol, busted!

[Witchdoctor]

Man this briongs back memories, Make we want to grab a set up, been a while since I played in the AMD arena ....:blink:\

Wonder if Bulldozer will be a contender ....

NY, TIM+ Eraser = WIN

[Bones]

Yeah, I think he'll get the win.

NY, you should be able to take a few Golds with ease once it's setup properly.

[ny_driver]

Golds I doubt, but maybe a few more points with some LN2 are possible. Today the chip acts funny though......won't go up past 3.4ish. I think maybe my gpu swapping(ati to nvidia) without proper cleaning could have corrupted something. I cleaned and swapped back, but it acts the same.

I have little time to do anything more this weekend. I plan to reformat and try it again when I have time.

[Bones]

Golds I doubt, but maybe a few more points with some LN2 are possible. Today the chip acts funny though......won't go up past 3.4ish. I think maybe my gpu swapping(ati to nvidia) without proper cleaning could have corrupted something. I cleaned and swapped back, but it acts the same.

I have little time to do anything more this weekend. I plan to reformat and try it again when I have time.

I saw that CPU-Z run you posted and dude - 1.8v's+ ? :Dizzy:

I hope you didn't damage it somehow because it is possible to do even with better cooling used.
You can ask Mr. Scott about that one sometime.

Basing the following on my HVAC experience - I could be wrong or at least not spot on with the following but here it is:

You might be running into a "Thermal Latency" problem with it.

Not the chip's fault and remember whatever materials your pot, heatsink or whatever is made from will only remove so much heat/BTU's within a given timeframe based on cooling used and what you've posted, the chip still has it's lid on that could be the thermal bottleneck causing it.
With the materals of the block or pot and lid plus the TIM, it all adds up to your thermal efficiency.
Good cooling temps are great but core temps themselves could be getting too high if the heat isn't passing through all the materials fast enough = Heat buildup in the core itself. That's a big factor in your results, esp in the longer benchies such as 32M Super PI or 1024M WPrime since those runs make your CPU run for a much longer time than the short runs will, giving more time for heat to buildup.

I know the guys here have experience with extreme cooling so maybe they can weigh in on this.

[Splave]

^ right on

[Neuromancer]

Excellent info Bones, I have often wondered about that myself even in relation to cold Air cooling. No one delids anymore...

[ny_driver]

It is certainly possible and I am good at destroying things. ;) but I kept the temps. in check.....no higher than 15C, and that was when I wasn't using any TIM. I wasn't trying to run any benches with more than 1.7v, so hopefully everything will be good this afternoon.

Gotta go get my taxes done first, maybe I'll be able to afford some juice this weekend......:bench:

EDIT: for some reason this 4000+ does seem to run a tad bit warmer than my other 939 singles.

[Bones]

Only bad thing though is it only takes it getting too hot just once to do the damage. I really hope it's OK and you'll continue to have fun with it.

Glad you guys found what I posted helpful.

Oh yeah, finally had to buy a new monitor since the old CRT finally kicked the bucket but good. I was waiting on that to happen and now I have a 23' Asus on the way here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236117

Not bad for the price I paid with the specs it has.
Now that the deal is done, I can finally quit worrying about that problem.

[Neuromancer]

New stuff will not last as long as old stuff.

then again, a new LCD will not weigh 100 pounds or get wonky looking in hte corners like a 24" CRT.

Colors are not as good, detail is indetermined... might have been sharper on new CRT, but over time, LCD is better. (well I havent had a LCD last 5+ years yet)

Heat, depends on the LCD/CRT. Not a big differnce so I do not beleive the whole Wattage difference. My 28" 1920x1200 monitor heats up my room better than my PC.

[ny_driver]

Well I have some good news and some bad news about the 4000+ chip :blink:

Yesterday it didn't act right.......I had the chiller fully cold, so the core was ~-10C.........would not boot windows set to 265x12 with any voltage and it boots that with 1.392v normally.

Today the chiller had not been run and the chip boots right up to 265x12, and with slight vcore increase 270x12. Also was able to reach the same 3532MHz with the same 1.856v as before. Increase to 1.888v and only clocks up to 3515MHz....just like before.:laughing:

Wait a minute.......CBB between 0 and -10C???....with an AMD chip?? It would boot up and run, just not at quite as high settings. And it definitely would not clock nearly as high even with vcore.

Very strange if you ask me.:Dizzy:

[Mr.Scott]

No one delids anymore...
We do.;)


I hope you didn't damage it somehow because it is possible to do even with better cooling used.
You can ask Mr. Scott about that one sometime.

Lol. Which time?

[ny_driver]

:ohcrap:Evidence of my theory on the behavior of the 4000+................

"A64 4000+ @ 286x12=3442Mhz, Radeon X1950XT @ 625/1800, 2x512mb Kingston Hyper-X "BH-5" @ 264Mhz 2.0-2-2-5 1T, DFI LP UT nf4 Ultra-D, CPU cooled by asetek Vapochill, despite Coldbug." -Turrican

[Neuromancer]

4000/4400 /4800 were beasty chips. Not surprised they have thermal issues

High or Low.

4200 /4600 had a much smaller cache IIRC, and so was easier to OC.

[Bones]

Well I have some good news and some bad news about the 4000+ chip :blink:

Yesterday it didn't act right.......I had the chiller fully cold, so the core was ~-10C.........would not boot windows set to 265x12 with any voltage and it boots that with 1.392v normally.

Today the chiller had not been run and the chip boots right up to 265x12, and with slight vcore increase 270x12. Also was able to reach the same 3532MHz with the same 1.856v as before. Increase to 1.888v and only clocks up to 3515MHz....just like before.:laughing:

Wait a minute.......CBB between 0 and -10C???....with an AMD chip?? It would boot up and run, just not at quite as high settings. And it definitely would not clock nearly as high even with vcore.

Very strange if you ask me.:Dizzy:

Back off on the voltage a little - You're beating it to death and it shows. :eek:

I'd only volt it that high for suicide runs for only short periods of time but not for trying actual bench runs even if the MHz isn't as high. It's not wanting to clock up as high simply because it's getting too hot at the core and -10c isn't enough to keep it from overheating at 1.8v's+. It takes a temp of -18c to hit 0 degrees in farenhight (Misspelled that one for sure :laughing:) so your temps need to be even lower to safely run that kind of voltage.

[ny_driver]

I've been benching at 1.65-1.7v......I only turn the vcore up that high for cpuz runs.

I was just making the point that this chip acts like most other 939 single cores in the respect that the max vcore is ~1.856v and if you go over that it won't clock any higher or even as high.

I ran wp32m last night @ 3369MHz/1.648v.(still couldn't quite get your score Bones:blink:)anyways......But it still won't get past ~72% of the way through 1024 no matter if I set it to stock or what.

Going to give the other Expert a try with the 4000+ today (before I punish the 148), as Barton has made some good suggestions about possible corruption of my system.

I was thinking that this crashing was caused by something I disabled in BIOS;), but it crashes 1024 regardless. I'll get to the bottom of it.....you can count on it.

[Bones]

Make sure you've done everything you can for stability. If it's not stable, it won't complete the run no matter what you do.

I will say that if the CPU gets hot, it will slow down it's time between iterations. Try it with even less volts and see what happens, even if your MHz isn't as high for the attempt and go from there.