**Practice/Discussion** Thermaltake Benchmarking Challenge Superpi 1.5 mod 32m

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Please post any practice runs and/or discussion here in this thread.

Once contest starts we will post here and you will post your official submissions to the following:

Official Intel Submissions HERE (http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4706)

Official AMD Submissions HERE (http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4707)

[kikicoco1334]

No tweaks, hacks, or human interaction that in any way alters or modifies windows timing in any way or tricks the benchmark into thinking it completed faster than it truly did run.
i am not sure i fully understood this part
no tweaks at all? like no wazza or anything like that?

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

i am not sure i fully understood this part
no tweaks at all? like no wazza or anything like that?


Wazza and all of that are fine. I am referring to tweaks that Trick the os or benchmark from a timing perspective to believe that time was passing slower than it actually did.

[kikicoco1334]

oh sorry i freaked out a little
thanks mang

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

oh sorry i freaked out a little
thanks mang


No problem.... get to practicing.... and like Ive said but it bears repeating. HAVE FUN!

[MaadDaawg]

Ve have Vays of making you enjoy yourselve, Ja?

Personally, I doubt I'll win but I'm looking forward to it :) Great of you to set it up, and it's great to have a Thermaltake rep here on the forum :thumbsup:

[rickss69]

I could never get that Chinese OS to work so I'm at a disadvantage already.

[DrNip]

What do you think the score to beat on Intel will be? 7m 45s?

[kikicoco1334]

I could never get that Chinese OS to work so I'm at a disadvantage already.

rickss you got me brother!
you know i am always on your side comes to that os :thumbsup:

[DrNip]

The taiserver isn't all that. It's good but a little research at this forum well net you the necessary tweaks to beat it.

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

The taiserver isn't all that. It's good but a little research at this forum well net you the necessary tweaks to beat it.


I usually use a lightened Win XP 64bit Pro install.

start there :good:

[DrNip]

Had my retail copy of xp 32 beating my taiserver install the other day. Can't imagine if I put winlite to it.

[Neuromancer]

Wazza and all of that are fine. I am referring to tweaks that Trick the os or benchmark from a timing perspective to believe that time was passing slower than it actually did.

In other words cheating. Like using a higher clock frequency and dropping cpu frequency to make the alloted clcok speed minimum.

In normal words, only one of 3 are going to win (we know who they are). As it is all about the tweaks. OCAers dont cheat, it would mean instant expulsion. Tweaking though is shared heavily and expect the top 20 to all be contenders at the bot for that GHz :)

[Neuromancer]

The taiserver isn't all that. It's good but a little research at this forum well net you the necessary tweaks to beat it.

WinFLP FTW!

My benching board has an NF200 chip on it now.

My goal is to beat Ricks semp140 on my 890GX setup :)
Hoping he accepts the challenge for a win 7 HTPC ready OS bench. IE whatever you tweak spi for must still work as an HTPC.

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

This bench competition is for Overclockaholics family ONLY.... knowone can beat you but your own teammates, and if you feel they will win then why not ask them for help? maybe they can give you some pointers on what to look at or what you can tweak to make things a lil better...

you guys are a team. this competition is small and you should use this as a learning possability for you guys to learn the bench and get better at it.

whats the worst that could happen? they say no to helping you and your still in same position right? ;)

but so far from what Ive seen you guys are a pretty tight team and i think the most skilled members here seem quite willing to help.

are you willing to listen and learn?

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

WinFLP FTW!

My benching board has an NF200 chip on it now.

My goal is to beat Ricks semp140 on my 890GX setup :)
Hoping he accepts the challenge for a win 7 HTPC ready OS bench. IE whatever you tweak spi for must still work as an HTPC.


This could be awesome/interesting at the same time.... can I compete for fun against you? I have a zotac Z68 Mini ITX :p

oh and it runs DDR3 SO-Dimms so anotherwords laptop ram... *kill me now* :Dizzy:

[kikicoco1334]

In other words cheating. Like using a higher clock frequency and dropping cpu frequency to make the alloted clcok speed minimum.

In normal words, only one of 3 are going to win (we know who they are). As it is all about the tweaks. OCAers dont cheat, it would mean instant expulsion. Tweaking though is shared heavily and expect the top 20 to all be contenders at the bot for that GHz :)

WinFLP FTW!

My benching board has an NF200 chip on it now.

My goal is to beat Ricks semp140 on my 890GX setup :)
Hoping he accepts the challenge for a win 7 HTPC ready OS bench. IE whatever you tweak spi for must still work as an HTPC.

whats so bad about the NF200? i keep on hearing it but never understood it

[DrNip]

In normal words, only one of 3 are going to win (we know who they are).

I believe anyone can win this. Not only is there an Intel but there is an AMD contest which opens the gates to the other side of overclocking which I have never seen an AMD contest here yet. If there was then i must have been a sleep for it.

[MaadDaawg]

In other words cheating. Like using a higher clock frequency and dropping cpu frequency to make the alloted clcok speed minimum.

I am confused by this ?? How is changing these two parameters considered cheating :Dizzy: Isn't this the reason people buy unlocked procs, to have more options?

Did I read this wrong ?

[DrNip]

I think what he was meaning was running the test at a higher frequency and then dropping it back to the 4.0ghz cap after the test has complete e.g. rog connect or whatever it may be.

[Kal-EL]

yah.....

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

I saw that as a possible issue, and it would truly be sad to see that sort of thing.

This is why I would like to limit this to the overclockaholics family of overclockers as I dont think you would cheat your teammates.

Thats why I said the number one rule is to have fun.

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

This is also another reason in the notes it is listed that if a submission is questionable we can request another run with video verfication and then we can ensure any questions by other competitors can be easily answered. :thumbsup:

[MaadDaawg]

ohhhhh :blush: Actually that interpretation did occur to me after I posted that :keeporder:

I'd be :shock: shocked if anyone stooped so low as to cheat on a team mate :eek: Good to know the results are subject to litigation though :D :laughing:
joking.... jeeez

Should be fun :)

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

ohhhhh :blush: Actually that interpretation did occur to me after I posted that :keeporder:

I'd be :shock: shocked if anyone stooped so low as to cheat on a team mate :eek: Good to know the results are subject to litigation though :D :laughing:
joking.... jeeez

Should be fun :)


I like the avatar :)

[DrNip]

Lets get this boat a floatin.

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Lets get this boat a floatin.


just hold your paddle a bit longer :thumbsup:

gonna have the background ready.

[kikicoco1334]

can't wait mang!
just got the os done so excited

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

can't wait mang!
just got the os done so excited


run some test laps :)

[Neuromancer]

Yeah no cheaters here. Was just clarifying the one rule LOL

NF200 I am not sure the details specifically just that it can raise latency, it is the board I have to use for now though.

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Yeah no cheaters here. Was just clarifying the one rule LOL

NF200 I am not sure the details specifically just that it can raise latency, it is the board I have to use for now though.

NF200 from what I have seen can raise latency (very very slightly) on graphical response. shouldn't really be a concern on a 2d bench ;)

[crio]

Hey, where is the oficial background.Got some nice runs to show :p

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Hey, where is the oficial background.Got some nice runs to show :p


HAHA well you have to run the benchmark and have the background present. all runs must be made after contest start and before contest end :)

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Ok guys background is up a lil early.,....

lets see what you can do :)

[DrNip]

Sweet.

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Sweet.


Lemme know what you think if the background is ok...

its not great just something basic.

[DrNip]

I take it screenshots are HWBot standard but with time and date or what?

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

I take it screenshots are HWBot standard but with time and date or what?


Yes Normal HWBOT would be fine but with inclusion of time/date

[kikicoco1334]

What do you think the score to beat on Intel will be? 7m 45s?
how did you came up with that number mang?
cuz i been trying on the x58 setup and i been getting 9m15s with +/- 1s up and down......

[DrNip]

Educated guess. ;)

[MaadDaawg]

Ok guys background is up a lil early.,....

lets see what you can do :)

where?

[MaadDaawg]

how did you came up with that number mang?
cuz i been trying on the x58 setup and i been getting 9m15s with +/- 1s up and down......

My little SB setup did 8min23sec approx, don't remember exactly. I'm thinking you're educated guess is going to be pretty close Nip :)

[DrNip]

Maybe a little less. We'll see.

[MaadDaawg]

Maybe a little less. We'll see.

yes we shall ;)

[kikicoco1334]

DAMN THE SANDY BITCHES! :P

i think it's my chip or the setup...
now running 970 with 7-7-7-21 2000mhz

the fastest time i got today is 9:12:047 that was my 9th run still tweaking
went from 9:16:688 to 9:12:047 gonna try break 8 tonight before bed (most likely not gonna happen till 4am)

9:02 was the lowest i have ever got to last night.....

[marcam923]

Gotta see what I can do with my setup, 1156 currently, need to setup a hard drive with an OS just for benching.

Maybe my sandy setup will be ready before this is over..

[MaadDaawg]

interesting tidbit on Marcam's avatar - googled supergirl in the nude and it turns out that in the pic of the pretty lady she was actually completely nude except for that little shirt she's tearing off. The supergirl costume of photoshopped over the nude pic :P

Unfortunately, the nude pic had those damn out of focus effects on the important parts :ohcrap:

:D

[marcam923]

interesting tidbit on Marcam's avatar - googled supergirl in the nude and it turns out that in the pic of the pretty lady she was actually completely nude except for that little shirt she's tearing off. The supergirl costume of photoshopped over the nude pic :P

Unfortunately, the nude pic had those damn out of focus effects on the important parts :ohcrap:

:D

HAHA don't know where I got the pic from.. They made me take it down from one forum. :thumbdown: :morpheus: I usually like to keep my avatar the same across the forums.

[MaadDaawg]

So how much of an advantage does a UD4 give ya over an M4E?

[DrNip]

Those prizes should make people particiapate in the contest besides the 6 people that are.

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Those prizes should make people particiapate in the contest besides the 6 people that are.


We are happy as long as you guys have fun with this.

enjoy it, learn some stuff or some tricks.... maybe win some prizes :thumbsup:

[DrNip]

Well going to have to pull the Intel for a bit and regroup. Have spent countless hours (a weekend and three week nights) tweaking, twisting and pulling these timings. Can't even run what I originally ran. Dunno if it is due to BIOS switch or RAM degrading. Going to take a couple nights off, prep my AMD mobo and get back at it again this weekend. That is if my cooler shows up!

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Well going to have to pull the Intel for a bit and regroup. Have spent countless hours (a weekend and three week nights) tweaking, twisting and pulling these timings. Can't even run what I originally ran. Dunno if it is due to BIOS switch or RAM degrading. Going to take a couple nights off, prep my AMD mobo and get back at it again this weekend. That is if my cooler shows up!


Good luck Dr. I cant wait to see what kinda magic you can pull off in the amd side. Not many people willing to try that one it seems.

[Witchdoctor]

Not many AMD rigs around these parts

with rev 4 though I think we will be seeing more

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Not many AMD rigs around these parts

with rev 4 though I think we will be seeing more

well I cant wait to see what the dr can do and lets see who else has an amd they can mess with here. then again I dont have one :-/

[DrNip]

Not many AMD rigs around these parts

with rev 4 though I think we will be seeing more

We will. I'll be up and running this weekend. Just got confirmation of cooler being delivered Friday.

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

We will. I'll be up and running this weekend. Just got confirmation of cooler being delivered Friday.


nice... Cant wait to see what you can do.... just wish you didnt have to buy another cooler :thumbdown: especially since a Frio OCK would look so nice being benched :good:

PS I may be a lil biased :blush:

[DrNip]

Haha I doubt that I'll win as I don't have the best RAM. I have all the OS tweaks but that won't get me there in the end. Not to mention there are always those sandbaggers and last minute guys out there that don't submit their best scores out the gate. I'm just in it for the competition.

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Haha I doubt that I'll win as I don't have the best RAM. I have all the OS tweaks but that won't get me there in the end. Not to mention there are always those sandbaggers and last minute guys out there that don't submit their best scores out the gate. I'm just in it for the competition.


Thats the attitude I like to see. Not caring if you win or lose just in it for the love of the game. :thumbsup:

[DrNip]

I do wish I had better RAM though so I could seal a top 3 spot, lol.

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

I do wish I had better RAM though so I could seal a top 3 spot, lol.


Im rowing the same boat over here :) I have right now some HyperX 2000 C8 sticks 2gb which arent bad but not running like they used to.... (cant imagine what happened to them) :blush:

[DrNip]

Sold my cas 8 2133 Super Talents about three months ago or so. Kicking myself now. Now all I have are these cas 8 2133 G.Skill which aren't as good.

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Sold my cas 8 2133 Super Talents about three months ago or so. Kicking myself now. Now all I have are these cas 8 2133 G.Skill which aren't as good.

whats the best timings you can get from them? like 1600MHz what timings can you run?

[DrNip]

Dunno. I have only benched with them at 2133 our higher. I have my cas 6 1600 gskill for lower timings on the every day cruiser.

[DrNip]

Was wondering if there was anyway that future posters could cut out all unnecessary desktop mumbo-jumbo so screenshots will be clearer? Some of the screenshots are impossible to read due to unnecessary desktop.

[Splave]

Or post post ram settings

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Was wondering if there was anyway that future posters could cut out all unnecessary desktop mumbo-jumbo so screenshots will be clearer? Some of the screenshots are impossible to read due to unnecessary desktop.


Cropping pics would be suggested... luckily I have a couple big displays at my desk and good eyes :)

but still for the sake of fun and learning from eachother please try to keep the SS clean and readable.

[Witchdoctor]

Or post post ram settings


:ohcrap:

[DrNip]

Only OS's I have are retail XP, XSOS and Tai Server which just ain't cutting it. Anyone know if the TinyXP or Winlite are worth a hoot off the server?

[DrNip]

Well scored an english Windows 2003 Enterprise edition. Hooked it up with nlite and took about everything out of it and then some. Managed to get it down to only 240Mb! ROFL We'll see if it is worth a hoot.

EDIT: HAHA 1st run on stock server OS (with cas 6 settings that previously netted me a 16m 35s run) was 16m 41s. Nlite version was 16m 43s. WTF? Going backwards here. I give.

[Neuromancer]

Sweet! 990FX arrived today, gotta finish a project tonight/tomorrow and then I will work on my intel run before hitting up the AMD side.

How much time is left in the contest?

[rickss69]

Ends in 6 hours.

[Neuromancer]

Ends in 6 hours.

Hah hah

I found the deadline

thanks for the motivational effort though :)

and thanks for the MORA rad. dont know if I can get it cleaned out and setup before the end of the month,, but if I can... woo whee.

[DrNip]

Can't even get my RAM to run anywhere near what they were. :(

[Splave]

on Intel nip? post up your settings :D

Some very nice scores up in the hizzy. hardest part about tai server is going through and setting up a secondary partition lol! Installing this afternoon

[DrNip]

Yeah on Intel.

Dunno if it is because my waza runs have gotten better or what.

Don't have a problem setting up a 2nd partition on the TaiServer.

I found that waza works better and faster when you use it on two hdd's instead of one hdd partitioned.

Should I only be using one hdd?

Guess I'm just going to have to start all over and try a different angle.

Also could be I'm rocking a micro ATX for this comp with less settings.

Wife says what I do is considered insanity to others. Watching the same thing and expecting a different result over and over and over, lol.

[Splave]

lol!

Smart woman :D

What I have been finding is that my best times have been from moving the file only once from c: --> d: but for now just using pitweaker to quick wazza and check sub timings stability.

[DrNip]

So do you use only one hdd or two? Seems like when I use waza in full force I get the "not exact in round". I figure it is shooting me out the gate too hard or something.

[Splave]

I use one SSD with a small windows partition and large secondary

[DrNip]

Wonder if SSD's play a better role in it over HDD's?

[Tt-USA Enthusiasts]

Wonder if SSD's play a better role in it over HDD's?


i have found in some cases SSD will make Spi 32m better especially in very lightened OS

[DrNip]

Anyone know what service/s not to disable or remove for maxmem when using nlite? Somehow I keep removing it.

Came up with a 100 MB XP that without waza was running the same times as my fastest waza runs. Problem is I couldn't adjust my maxmem to 600 so waza was pointless.

Just glad to have quit going backwards as I have the last week. Figure this maxmem service out in nlite and I might be back in the race for 3rd place! LOL

EDIT: I got it. Also got my XP down to 96 MB FTW.

[Splave]

Micro XP lol!

[DrNip]

Thought I was on to something. Still can't beat my time. I come close but no jive.

[69_Goat]

If you just want to change your maxmem value, you can edit the boot.ini file in the root of the C drive.

If your install is missing msconfig, you can copy and paste from another XP drive.
I ran into this prob with Tiny XP or Chuck's XP, can't rememberwhich one.

[DrNip]

Good to know bro, thanks.

[DrNip]

I'm noticing that on everybody's OS their icons are not transparent. I don't have the “Use drop shadows for icon labels on the desktop” box checked but then somehow mine are still transparent. What gives? Did I miss a class on this or what? LOL

[MaadDaawg]

Here's the link to the boot ini file maxmem

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/108393

What value is maxmem supposed to be set to for sp1?

[DrNip]

Nice find Daawg! :good:

[rickss69]

Wanna hear something weird? My last few runs have been without msconfig...the run will lock up either immediately or three quarter thru using it. All I can do atm is kill explorer.exe lol. Have not gone back to Intel yet to see if it's the same scenario.

[MaadDaawg]

If you just want to change your maxmem value, you can edit the boot.ini file in the root of the C drive.

If your install is missing msconfig, you can copy and paste from another XP drive.
I ran into this prob with Tiny XP or Chuck's XP, can't rememberwhich one.

I installed on OEM version of XP Pro and I don't have msconfig - could have sworn it was always there in the past :Dizzy:

[rickss69]

This ASUS board now refuses to load a XP OS on any type of drive. :thumbdown:

[MaadDaawg]

This ASUS board now refuses to load a XP OS on any type of drive. :thumbdown:

What I found out was that I had to set the SATA on IDE and then it worked fine. Factory default is AHCI

[rickss69]

What I found out was that I had to set the SATA on IDE and then it worked fine. Factory default is AHCI

No go for me on this mb no matter what the setting. Trying Intel with Win7 atm...:thumbdown: