To NF200 or not to NF200 ?

[MaadDaawg]

That is the question.. whether tis greater among men to use the Classified with the NF200 chip, or faster using the Classified without the NF200 chipe? Having one of each, one which is hydro copper (non NF200) and one without a complete chipset water block (with the NF200) varily I asketh which board wouldst perform best upon the phased platform? As the one which shall be encassed in a steel HAF will demand full water cooling, methinks the best bet may be to use the power of bits to submerge the NF200 equipped Classy in the cooling waters as well? But yea I say unto thee, my research has not produced a clear winner of the speed crown betweenth the two and thus I am gazing upon yet another expenditure which I wouldst be better advised not to make.

LOL So, anyone read which board is faster under phase.. I haven't found anything that says yea or nea :(

:Dizzy:

[Chuchnit]

Why not test them up on a table? I have wondered the same thing, but people only make the claim the 760 is faster. It would be nice to see a "real world" experiment to see for sure. Maybe 03 and either vantage or 06 to test?

[tanka12345]

Isn't NF200 only needed if you want more than 3 cards?

I think the Eclipse Plus features NF200, but Classifieds are probably (or surely) more stable.

[MaadDaawg]

The NF200 is what allows you to run true 16x16x16 TRI SLI. With the other Classified boards, including the Hydro Copper you can run 16x in SLI only and 16x8x8 in TRI SLI. Rumor always was the NF200 added latency but I've never seen proof either way. I'm sending in my Ltd. Ed. (759) Classy for RMA and plan to water it when it comes back, then I'll have both versions with the chipsets watered, but, one will be under phase and the other under water so I won't be able to do a true match up :( Unless of course, someone wants to loan me their phase unit for the test lol

[Afterburner]

Other than maxing out my Quad 295's, I never have found the need for 16x... So today, it really does not matter...

We all know how each release adds one or two goodies... And the 5000 ATI's and NVidia 300's are gossiped to need this extra room (Bandwidth). Although I do not see any concrete proof yet...

I run both... and for me it is the luck of the run.. One week I think the None 200 is king because my benches get better... Then the next I am out scoring those with the 200... so.. Meh...

[MaadDaawg]

What you say AB conforms to what I've heard - only need the 16x bandwidth for the 295s. Luckily, all the classifieds will run quad sli at full 16x on both slots :)

[punx223]

i have run back to back with the 759 and 760 with quad 295's and have saw NO difference in vantage.... and mind you the 760 is 16/8 even in dual sli mode.... so 8x does not touch the 295....... now for future proofing I guess you could say future cards may be hurt by 8x, but my question is.... how much will they be hurt? let alone by the time such a card comes around will the classy still be the TOP BOARD or will EVGA have come out with a newer TOP DOG board at that time in order to keep the masses happy.

[Chuchnit]

What you say AB conforms to what I've heard - only need the 16x bandwidth for the 295s. Luckily, all the classifieds will run quad sli at full 16x on both slots :)

i have run back to back with the 759 and 760 with quad 295's and have saw NO difference in vantage.... and mind you the 760 is 16/8 even in dual sli mode.... so 8x does not touch the 295....... now for future proofing I guess you could say future cards may be hurt by 8x, but my question is.... how much will they be hurt? let alone by the time such a card comes around will the classy still be the TOP BOARD or will EVGA have come out with a newer TOP DOG board at that time in order to keep the masses happy.

There ya go MaadDaawg. Plus you gotta think about this. Say a single 295 can almost 100% saturate pci-e 2.0 x16 slot. It would require 100% scaling in SLI/Xfire for it to saturate the second one. Plus for benchmarking that will never happen.

Another "theoretical" thing to think about the nf200 chip. Any dual card solution from nvidia will already have an nf200 on it for internal SLI. So in "theory", the nf200 board SHOULD be slower with 295/ATI dual card solution (PLX chip) because of not only the added latency of one nf200, but three if you run two dual gpu cards. Now personally I think the only time you'd notice is IF you cared about 3-7fps in a game you are over 125+ on already. I really don't think you would notice until you started playing high resolution games.

[sofos1990]

Whatever you do, NF200 is useless.
We are talking about "virtual 4x16 PCI-E":D
All depend on X58:
1 vga = 1 x16 PCI-E
2 vgas = 2 x16 PCI-E
3 vgas = 2 x16 + 1 x4 PCI-E or 1 x16 + 2 x8
4 vgas = 4 x8 PCI-E
So how can NF200 handle 4 x16 PCI-E?
It's useless, it adds only latency.
All above are hipro5's words from a greek forum.....here (http://hwbox.gr/showpost.php?p=49188&postcount=12)

[punx223]

actually on the E760 classified

4 vga =
1x16
1x8
1x4
1x4


on the 760 even with 2 vga's you get 16x and 8x

And i have said it before and will say it again. I have run 759 and 760 back to back with quad 295 and saw no difference in vantage

[crustytheclown]

I think you should test them to be sure,but i would go for the non-NF200 board.

[Chuchnit]

I think you should test them to be sure,but i would go for the non-NF200 board.

Just to try and put a nail in this coffen, I would set it up like this:

nf200 Classified goes in the gaming rig. Why? Because IF there is a performance hit, you aren't gonna notice 5 fps at 150 fps :hug:

Benching on the other hand, well you need every last advantage you can get. It has been shown that the 760 works great with 4x4890's so.... you be the judge there.

[MaadDaawg]

Well, I've reached a decision cool2 I'm RMAing the NF200 classy and the replacement should be here in 1 to 3 days (overnight EAR). The Hydro Copper will go on the bench... all this at least to start.

I noticed, to my horror, that even after mounting the Bitspower Moffset water block, there are still two moffsets that ONLY have passive air coolers :eek: So I ordered a Bitspower chipset Black Freezer which extends far enough to cover these two moffsets, and of course, another black freezer moffset block. SO, when the new board and new blocks arrive (should be Wednesday) I'll get to work replacing the passive coolers with the water cooers.

Meanwhile, I'll install the new 760 Hydro on the bench cause a fan will point straight down on the passive sink anyway. This board will most likely get my TRI SLI 285 Hydro Coppers and teh phase unit.

Meanwhile, the newly watered NF200 Classy will go inside a case, where the extra cooling is most needed. Dilemna here is I'm thinking of putting in Quad SLi 295s that are air cooled?? Will probably mix and match the cards anyway, but jeez, wish I could afford another 400 bones to water the 295s too :(

Problem is, moving watered cards is a royal PITA, air is so much easier ... Maybe after awile, I'll swap everything around and then be able to get apples to apples comparisons on numerous benches.... now that would be cool, but a lot of work :shock:

[Kal-EL]

I demand hardware pron shots to_keep_order

[MaadDaawg]

Not staring me you don't lol but if you insistk I've neve been the shy type lol

eraser mostly off the outbound board, evap head off. Drain the video loop tomorrow and should be able to slip the new hydro cool in my tomorrow night... maybe I could pretend the lettle bits of eraser stuck in the socket are pucic hairs and pull them out with my teelh???? whould that turn you on:Dizzy:ohcrap

[MaadDaawg]

I say we elect a Ms Overclockaholics each month, and she's shown nude, live and in person, to every member... whatcha think, good idea???:D

[MaadDaawg]

Just to try and put a nail in this coffen, I would set it up like this:

nf200 Classified goes in the gaming rig. Why? Because IF there is a performance hit, you aren't gonna notice 5 fps at 150 fps :hug:

Benching on the other hand, well you need every last advantage you can get. It has been shown that the 760 works great with 4x4890's so.... you be the judge there.


still waiting for my Dom GTs at 2000mhz 7-8-7-20 with the eplidia cyhpers... this slow ass 1866 just don't make it :( can't buy video cards when I ain't got no good ram dammit. I'm a doctor Jim, not a damned miracle worker...... hahahaha

[Kal-EL]

Not staring me you don't lol but if you insistk I've neve been the shy type lol

eraser mostly off the outbound board, evap head off. Drain the video loop tomorrow and should be able to slip the new hydro cool in my tomorrow night... maybe I could pretend the lettle bits of eraser stuck in the socket are pucic hairs and pull them out with my teelh???? whould that turn you on:Dizzy:ohcrap

minus the male pucic hairs stuck in ur teeth, sure :taunt:

I say we elect a Ms Overclockaholics each month, and she's shown nude, live and in person, to every member... whatcha think, good idea???:D

I'll be in charge of the model screening. :blush:

[MaadDaawg]

OUCH! ok, ya got me on that one. Just that I never retlate pubic hairs to anything but femaie genitalia. Should have stated that better ohcrap

[MaadDaawg]

I'll be in charge of the model screening. :blush:

Actually, I'm thinking that should be more of a committee function, like you and I .... I get to interview first thought :D:rofl

[RomDominance]

To bad your little "compass" doesn't helpya find the perfect rig config? It always seems to be pointing at hotties, dirty ol oc'er!:taunt:

[eva2000]

I have Asus P6T6 WS Revolution which has NF200 from 6x PCI-E x16 Slots!


x16 PCI-E Slot #1 = x16 or x8
x16 PCI-E Slot #2 = x8
x16 PCI-E Slot #3 = x16 or x8
x16 PCI-E Slot #4 = x8
x16 PCI-E Slot #5 = x16
x16 PCI-E Slot #6 = x4


http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/motherboards/asus/P6T6_WS_Revolution/html/thumbnails/thumb_P6T6_WS_Revo-001.jpg (http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/motherboards/asus/P6T6_WS_Revolution/html/photos/P6T6_WS_Revo-001.jpg) http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/motherboards/asus/P6T6_WS_Revolution/html/thumbnails/thumb_P6T6_WS_Revo-005.jpg (http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/motherboards/asus/P6T6_WS_Revolution/html/photos/P6T6_WS_Revo-005.jpg) http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/motherboards/asus/P6T6_WS_Revolution/html/thumbnails/thumb_P6T6_WS_Revo-019.jpg (http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/motherboards/asus/P6T6_WS_Revolution/html/photos/P6T6_WS_Revo-019.jpg) http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/motherboards/asus/P6T6_WS_Revolution/html/thumbnails/thumb_P6T6_WS_Revo-027.jpg (http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/motherboards/asus/P6T6_WS_Revolution/html/photos/P6T6_WS_Revo-027.jpg) http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/motherboards/asus/P6T6_WS_Revolution/html/thumbnails/thumb_P6T6_WS_Revo-125.jpg (http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/motherboards/asus/P6T6_WS_Revolution/html/photos/P6T6_WS_Revo-125.jpg)

Haven't gotten around to testing the latency yet but while it adds latency there's still gains for 3x and 4x video card benchmarks although the margin gained is alot smaller versus 2x and 3x video cards.

[MaadDaawg]

To bad your little "compass" doesn't helpya find the perfect rig config? It always seems to be pointing at hotties, dirty ol oc'er!:taunt:

Actually, I have a pretty darned big compass for your info mister !!!!!

:rofl

[Rogue210]

Actually, I have a pretty darned big compass for your info mister !!!!!

Thats not what she told me...LOL....j/k