[CORE i7]Overclockaholics Super_PI_Mod_v1.6_32M LCC "Official Discussion"

[Kal-EL]

~Official Discussion thread~



Link back to submissions thread (http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=890)

[dinos22]

sorry i must be blind

when does round one finish

[Kal-EL]

sorry i must be blind

when does round one finish


Good Question. Round 1 finishes 48 hours after I post "Last Call for Round 1 Benchmarks" in the submissions thread.

Benchers won't know when last call will be made so get ur best benches in asap and pay attention.

[RomDominance]

The Romulan wing of the NBOC military has gladly initiated the first stage of this battle, good luck to all of the combatants, Jolan True Centurions.

[Kal-EL]

Please follow RomDominance format for all future submissions, it'll make it easier for me to keep track.

Upload or offsite link ur screenies, whichever is abundantly clear to view. Try to stick to 1280x1024 res.

[HITandRUN]

Is it just me or is RomDominance's screenie very small? Its 875 x 495 and had to see.

[RomDominance]

Hey its a screen in 19x10 jpeg and i just uploaded it with the attachment button...don't know whats goin on unless the server downsizes them to fit a certain perameter.

[Buckeye]

Sure this starts when I had a ton of benching to do. Thanks for putting pressure on me Kal !!!

Is it ok to submit a 7.0ghz 32m run ?? ohcrap

[dinos22]

yellow font makes my eyes bleed

i'm not on black theme which is probably why eeek
can you edit leaderboard colour to something more eyesight friendly

lol

[Kal-EL]

Yah, the server downsized his screeny from whatever the original size was and it ended up the it is now. I can see all the necessary info on my side so its o.k. but just really really small.

It varies, sometimes screenies come out nice using upload and sometimes way too small. Do what u need to get a viewable screeny up.

[Kal-EL]

@dinos22 color changed for your soft eyes

@Drnip your cpu-z validation link added for you in your submission.

[DrNip]

I forgot to put my score in the notepad. Won't happen again.

[Cecil]

Um, I cant find Super Pi 1.6 anywhere. 1.5 is the highest I see.

And the Validator doesnt work for me. Tried it three times.

[Kal-EL]

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160&page=4

[Splave]

just submitted, will add score to notepad as well

[ReverendMaynard]

CPUZ 1.52 is glitched.

[Chuchnit]

Rev, if you get a bugged cpuz screenie, could you just load up eleet or any other software that confirms correct multi? This is a known bug. Actually cputweaker should clarify.

[ReverendMaynard]

ask and ye shall recieve. But if it's a known bug, why is it being used?

[Kal-EL]

Its only being used in the core i7 contest. This here thread is the Core 2 contest. :laughing:

Seriously, so the validation link on the cpu clock still shows this "bug". Lemme know and we can talk about a switch back to 1.51 rev of cpu-z. This shoulda been brought up during the rules discussion.

[sofos1990]

Use memset for showing us the mem frequency!

[Chuchnit]

Because its the latest official release and a rule change is getting ready to be discussed because of this issue. I just read about this bug last night. That's why.

[Kal-EL]

Switching back to 1.51 solve this issue?

[rickss69]

Its only being used in the core i7 contest. This here thread is the Core 2 contest. :laughing:

Seriously, so the validation link on the cpu clock still shows this "bug". Lemme know and we can talk about a switch back to 1.51 rev of cpu-z. This shoulda been brought up during the rules discussion.

After I deleted all my posts and re-ran the bench's you are going to go back to 1.5?

[DrNip]

Come on guys. I'm needing a lil competition here as it is lonely on top. :D

[Kal-EL]

you can grandfather ur bench runs.

Here on out run it with 1.51 cpu-z.


Unfortunately, we gotta switch it back due to unfcircumcised circumstances.

[rickss69]

you can grandfather ur bench runs.

Here on out run it with 1.51 cpu-z.


Unfortunately, we gotta switch it back due to unfcircumcised circumstances.

Too late - all deleted as well as my 1.51 DL...sigh.

Are we to use 1.51 for both bench's now?

[Kal-EL]

Too late - all deleted as well as my 1.51 DL...sigh.

Are we to use 1.51 for both bench's now?

Far as I know, at this moment, the bug is with i7. Regarding ur previously deleted bench runs, werent your latest runs with 1.52 faster anyways?

Also, u deleted the screenies from your pc already?

[Chuchnit]

Yes use 1.5 for both benches. If you still have the screenies saved somewhere please upload them to maintain your ranking ;)

[Chuchnit]

Dang Kal I'm just steppin on your toes this morning :D Super ninja quick postage to be working :D

[Kal-EL]

I gotta hurry, I'm getting slammed with some heavy duty shit all night at work.

[Kal-EL]

Too late - all deleted as well as my 1.51 DL...sigh.

Are we to use 1.51 for both bench's now?

Far as I know, at this moment, the bug is with i7. Regarding ur previously deleted bench runs, werent your latest runs with 1.52 faster anyways?

Also, u deleted the screenies from your pc already?


Rick, tell me, which bench setup did you delete faster scores on????? Corei7 or Core2?

I've restored you're deleted core 2 benchmark already and I thought ur i7 benchmarks with cpuz 1.52 were faster?

[rickss69]

Far as I know, at this moment, the bug is with i7. Regarding ur previously deleted bench runs, werent your latest runs with 1.52 faster anyways?

Also, u deleted the screenies from your pc already?

Reformat and changing OS's at the moment. No matter. So it is v1.51 for i7 and v1.52 for Core 2, correct?

[Kal-EL]

Run 1.51 for both just to have continuity between the two platforms. I'm changing the req's for Core2 also.

Keep in mind, all benchmarks that have already been uploaded and submitted will be grandfathered in and valid. All new benchmarks will be required to have 1.51 in them. So if you've just finished benching and were using 1.52, go ahead and submit them within the next two minutes and they will be valid. Any longer than that and you can hump camels.

Hope this satisfies everyone. I'll check back later to see the carnage.

[rickss69]

Use memset for showing us the mem frequency!

And you be silent sofos...we have little enough screen room as it is. :taunt::taunt:

[Cecil]

So my runs with 1.51 are valid then?

And damn Im pissed about that EP45 blowing up. Now I cant enter the Core 2 one :(

[rickss69]

So my runs with 1.51 are valid then?

And damn Im pissed about that EP45 blowing up. Now I cant enter the Core 2 one :(

Yes, all your posts are cool cecil. Sorry about your equipment bro.

[Gunslinger]

Where does one download Super PI v1.6? (my google skills blow)

[DrNip]

SuperPi 1.6 Download (http://www.techpowerup.com/wizzard/super_pi_mod.exe)

Validator (http://www.techpowerup.com/superpi/)

[HITandRUN]

Run 1.51 for both just to have continuity between the two platforms. I'm changing the req's for Core2 also.

Keep in mind, all benchmarks that have already been uploaded and submitted will be grandfathered in and valid. All new benchmarks will be required to have 1.51 in them. So if you've just finished benching and were using 1.52, go ahead and submit them within the next two minutes and they will be valid. Any longer than that and you can hump camels.

Hope this satisfies everyone. I'll check back later to see the carnage.

Doesn’t that leave the danger of the scores submitted with the 1.52 version being actually run at a higher speed? :Dizzy: I mean I’m sure we don’t have nobody trying to take advantage of the situation but still if there is something like this going on and its known to everybody I think everybody should submit it with the 1.51 version which would leave no doubt about the CPU speed. :thumbsup: It’s not like you need a monster LN2 session to rerun the benchies. Just my 5c to the story. Sorry everybody for putting more confusion into this but I just don’t feel this is fair at this point. :morpheus:

[Kal-EL]

Doesn’t that leave the danger of the scores submitted with the 1.52 version being actually run at a higher speed? I mean I’m sure we don’t have nobody trying to take advantage of the situation but still if there is something like this going on and its known to everybody I think everybody should submit it with the 1.51 version which would leave no doubt about the CPU speed. It’s not like you need a monster LN2 session to rerun the benchies. Just my 5c to the story. Sorry everybody for putting more confusion into this but I just don’t feel this is fair at this point.

In reviewing the totality of the situation, this is the most "Fair" decision that can be rendered and the most "Accountable" action taken to preserve the integrity of the remaining portions of this contest.

Fortunately it was caught very early in the contest and the adjustment made without impacting any one bencher's overall standings.

In the scenario “a re-bench w/1.51cpu-z is implemented”, the only competitor that stands to lose is Rickss69. Every other competitor has demonstrated an improved PI score after moving to cpu-z 1.51.

Here are the current standings:
1- DrNip 920 DO 10m 49.453s
2- rickss69 950 DO 10m56.500s
3- RomDominance 920do 11m03.906s
4- Splave 920 d0 11m10.925s
5- Cecil 920 11m14.764s

So in essence, a re-bench would only affect rickss69. I do not feel that the burden of validity in this instance should be placed solely on rickss. The initial rules contained an unacceptable degree of imperfection and even with the new adjustment a certain degree of imperfection will remain. It is and always will be fallable.

So in balancing the likelihood of rickss being a dishonorable bencher and the impact on the standings, I find the actions taken to be both fair and indiscriminate.

This topic will be put even more to rest when rickss posts a yet improved PI time with the new cpu-z 1.51 requirement.

I’m all for fairness and if after this explanation of the current circumstances, any competitor that is currently ranked in the standings still feels my actions are “Unfair”, please feel free to voice your protest. I will re-assess the situation based on how impactful it is to those benchers already ranked. Outside of those parameters, the issue is perceived as resolved. CPU-Z 1.51 is required for all benches.
Supes- cool2

[HITandRUN]

in reviewing the totality of the situation, this is the most "fair" decision that can be rendered and the most "accountable" action taken to preserve the integrity of the remaining portions of this contest.

fortunately it was caught very early in the contest and the adjustment made without impacting any one bencher's overall standings.

in the scenario “a re-bench w/1.51cpu-z is implemented”, the only competitor that stands to lose is rickss69. Every other competitor has demonstrated an improved pi score after moving to cpu-z 1.51.

here are the current standings:
1- drnip 920 do 10m 49.453s
2- rickss69 950 do 10m56.500s
3- romdominance 920do 11m03.906s
4- splave 920 d0 11m10.925s
5- cecil 920 11m14.764s

so in essence, a re-bench would only affect rickss69. I do not feel that the burden of validity in this instance should be placed solely on rickss. The initial rules contained an unacceptable degree of imperfection and even with the new adjustment a certain degree of imperfection will remain. It is and always will be fallable.

so in balancing the likelihood of rickss being a dishonorable bencher and the impact on the standings, i find the actions taken to be both fair and indiscriminate.

this topic will be put even more to rest when rickss posts a yet improved pi time with the new cpu-z 1.51 requirement.

i’m all for fairness and if after this explanation of the current circumstances, any competitor that is currently ranked in the standings still feels my actions are “unfair”, please feel free to voice your protest. I will re-assess the situation based on how impactful it is to those benchers already ranked. Outside of those parameters, the issue is perceived as resolved. Cpu-z 1.51 is required for all benches.
supes- cool2



amen! :d

[dinos22]

Doesn’t that leave the danger of the scores submitted with the 1.52 version being actually run at a higher speed? :Dizzy: I mean I’m sure we don’t have nobody trying to take advantage of the situation but still if there is something like this going on and its known to everybody I think everybody should submit it with the 1.51 version which would leave no doubt about the CPU speed. :thumbsup: It’s not like you need a monster LN2 session to rerun the benchies. Just my 5c to the story. Sorry everybody for putting more confusion into this but I just don’t feel this is fair at this point. :morpheus:
cheats dont mess with kal-el to_keep_order :D

[Splave]

any help with getting cputweaker to show mhz?

[DrNip]

Might be a Windows 7 incompatibility thing.

[DrNip]

I just got to ask as I can't get 1.52 version to glitch like this for me but are any of you running your rig with c1e, speedstep or anything like this enabled that might be causing it to do this?

[rickss69]

I never saw it either Nip. One and the same for me.

[69_Goat]

I just got to ask as I can't get 1.52 version to glitch like this for me but are any of you running your rig with c1e, speedstep or anything like this enabled that might be causing it to do this?


It worked fine for me and I've got all that stuff turned off.

[DrNip]

I have it all turned off too. I am just wondering if it is glitching on guys that might have any of these enabled.

[Splave]

no glitch here for me, I like that its smaller lol

nips you on xp? I cant get close to your score man rofl

[karmakazi]

W00t! Been waiting for this one guys cool2

Just got the MSI Eclipse Plus insulated. Hope kingston can get me my hypers back quick from RMA (will be seeing if they scale with LN2 muahaha)!!! Otherwise its time for high QPI + D9GTR's... :D

Good luck to everyone:thumbsup:

[DrNip]

Yep I'm on XP. I brought my jedi skillz to the table this time. Thinking I might have to hook up my pot to get the cpu cooler so I can run an 18 mult with RAM at 2140MHz. :D

[Cecil]

Wish I had some faster memory. These wont go over 1750ish.

[DrNip]

That's what it comes down too.

[RomDominance]

:sign15::poopinghorse::green8:

I am not goin with that....I'm running my GT's at 2016MHz 7-7-7-18 54 1T , my uncore at 25x 4200+ as leaned and tweaked as it gets and can't get below
11m2s.....whats the deal?:shock:

[karmakazi]

Rom what tweaks are you using?

[ReverendMaynard]

:sign15::poopinghorse::green8:

I am not goin with that....I'm running my GT's at 2016MHz 7-7-7-18 54 1T , my uncore at 25x 4200+ as leaned and tweaked as it gets and can't get below
11m2s.....whats the deal?:shock:

word, and Win7 destroys XP in 32m.

[karmakazi]

word, and Win7 destroys XP in 32m.

Yeah that will explain slow times.... gotta have 2k3 or xp, its really a must if you wish to compete.

W00t! Been waiting for this one guys cool2

Just got the MSI Eclipse Plus insulated. Hope kingston can get me my hypers back quick from RMA (will be seeing if they scale with LN2 muahaha)!!! Otherwise its time for high QPI + D9GTR's... :D

Good luck to everyone:thumbsup:

HAHA Kingston comes through.... just got this in my inbox! Please dont end it before 8/3 pretty pretty please with sprinkles on top :)

Scheduled Delivery Date:
08/03/2009
Shipped To:
BUFFALO, NY, US
Shipped/Billed On:
07/27/2009
Type:
Package
Service:
GROUND
Weight:
1.20 Lbs

[Splave]

windows 7 x32 is way faster than xp and 7 x64. Never tryed server 2k3 though. :D

[ReverendMaynard]

windows 7 x32 is way faster than xp and 7 x64. Never tryed server 2k3 though. :D

what spliggity said.

On my top end 32m, Win 7 32b beats XP tweaked to the nuts by approx. 20sec.

[Chuchnit]

Are you guys stripping XP down proper? I would imagine if Win 7 was truly faster than XP we would see win7 at the top rankings in hwbot. As it stands now 2k3 server and XP rule the roost. Got any screenies for comparison?

[karmakazi]

I think (or hope) that they are joking chuch

[DrNip]

I will do a run on my Windows 7 HDD for comparison between my XP run and it.

[karmakazi]

I will do a run on my Windows 7 HDD for comparison between my XP run and it.

Would be nice for reference, but I would literally shat myself if 7 is faster:Dizzy:

[ReverendMaynard]

start "shatting".

[karmakazi]

lol we will see

[Splave]

Each bench ran 3 times taking the best score for each

-Operating systems-
XP Beast Edition with reg tweaks only (no max mem, or large sys cache)
Windows 7 Ultimate x64 no tweaks
Windows 7 Ultimate x32 no tweaks

-Benchies-
::Wprime 32m
::Wprime 1024m
::Superpi 1m
::Superpi 32m
::PiFast

-Setup-
::i7 920 d0 @ 200.5x21 = 4210mhz (201 set in bios)
::eVGA classified 4/17/2009 bios
::Kingston HyperX ddr3-2000 cas 9 @ 802mhz 8-8-8-24-1t
::Sparkle 9800gtx 512mb
::HEC Cougar 1kw
::3x Western digital caviar drives (same model, and caches, different sizes 320 300 250)

::wPrime 32m::
1st 5.179 XP
2nd 5.876 W7 x32
3rd 5.967 W7 x64

::wPrime 1024m::
1st 182.123 W7 x64
2nd 182.155 XP
3rd 183.657 W7 x32

::Superpi 1m::
1st 9.609 XP
2nd 9.641 W7 x32
3rd 9.672 W7 x64

::Superpi 32m::
1st 8:50.516 W7 x32
2nd 8:54.344 W7 x64
3rd 9:06.219 XP

::Pifast::
1st 20.11 XP
2nd 20.16 W7 x32
3rd 20.19 W7 x64


Have screens but why would I lie lol


In other news lol, Ive never shaved any time using maxmem in any os. Thought 600mb is standard for 32m? 1st time I gained 5 seconds seconds

[karmakazi]

Well your XP isnt properly tweaked then

I can do a clock for clock comparison with reverendmaynard's best time on hwbot. He has 8m25.xxx s @ 4505Mhz in Windows 7

I will use XPSP3 or 2k3 maybe both if I have time

In other news ill beat it by at least 3 seconds same clocks/ram etc ;)

And im not just making numbers up. Use performance product (PP) calculation to estimate your pi efficiency (cpu clock * pi time in seconds). You can then extrapolate/interpolate times at different clock speeds. The lower the PP the better your efficiency.

Im at work so I can only use examples from hwbot profiles. For instance in Reverend's run (http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=852711), 505.680 seconds * 4505 cpu = 2278088.4 PP

Versus my run (http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=876102) 421.3 seconds * 5009 cpu = 2154768.7 PP

If you want to see my pi time at 4505 simply substitute... x * 4505 = 2154768.7. X=478.306 seconds. So I should theoretically be able to beat that score by a half minute or so. Now if I match my ram clocks to his that gap would of course close a little, but XP is still faster.

[ReverendMaynard]

win XP 32m copy wazza, 14 processes, tweaked to almost lost functionality.
http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=840922

7 32b, no tweaks.
http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=852711

bit of a frquency deficit as well.

same timings, really no other changes...except that it's on a different mobo, but honestly, the Gigabyte board is out right faster clock for clock regardless.

We can throw down lots, and lots of stuff to back this up so expect a flood from the boys.

We wouldn't run it if it was slower. Maybe all these pro's just haven't figured out how to hack 7 to get an edge over us "n00bs". ;)

[ReverendMaynard]

Well your XP isnt properly tweaked then

I can do a clock for clock comparison with reverendmaynard's best time on hwbot. He has 8m25.xxx s @ 4505Mhz in Windows 7

I will use XPSP3 or 2k3 maybe both if I have time

beat it by 20+ seconds at the same settings, timings and what not and I'll call hax lol.

[karmakazi]

Lol well your a right nasty git arent you. Im trying to help you and you give attitude. Im gonna beat it by 20 seconds and you can eat your words... :D

Im not making things up your efficiency in XP is awful, and in 7 its better, but still not good.

Looking at your screenies I see at least 5 errors slowing you down.

[69_Goat]

Wish I had some faster memory. These wont go over 1750ish.

I'm in the same boat Cecil. I did manage to clock my 1600 ram up to 1884 with relaxed timings, but it didn't translate into better times.

[karmakazi]

Sorry for any disrespect.

[Splave]

what are the magic settings than karma? Ive dont max mem tweaking large system cache copy wazza etc and I have like 10 process on a windows install that is about 3oombs. what are you going to do different?

[karmakazi]

what are the magic settings than karma? Ive dont max mem tweaking large system cache copy wazza etc and I have like 10 process on a windows install that is about 3oombs. what are you going to do different?

LOL im just supposed to spill the beans huh? Ive combed more forums in more languages than I care to count to assemble my pi tweaks. You mention 3 things. Im not gonna give away the cake but if you want to try to find some useful things...

Look in the registry (I use over 25 reg tweaks), look in device manager, my pi install is 6 services and 7 processes and 92mb, certain ram subtimings have a big impact, OS appearance, priority&affinity, pagefile, copywaza file size, among many more that I dont give out in public forums anyways.

For socket 775 a good one to try is Pmem to change MCH strap offset registers (can shave seconds off a run).

Pi tweaking is about taking your time and really experimenting. Superpi is a very sensitive program that responds to very slight changes in your OS and BIOS settings. In total I probably use 50 or more tweaks for a proper run. Takes some time to get it all done, but I use images and a IDE/SATA hdd dock to keep times <5mins for a OS reimage.

[DrNip]

I will release my tweaks after the competition. Pretty much I am only doing 5 tweaks. Only one of them is a registry tweak.

[Chuchnit]

[puts on hat]

Gents, lets keep it clean and to the facts. If you have proof for the pudding then post it up. No need to start getting personal. Consider this a warning for no further attacks.

[/takes off hat]

Karmakazi, we are all about sharing information around here. If you got something you want to share, then share away :)

Maybe we need to start a thread to do some real performance evaluation between the two OS's? Of course you have to compare with proper tweaks applied; not fresh full install to fresh full install.

[ReverendMaynard]

Please show me something good ;) Oh and I never said I was a pro at all, you did. In fact many people know lots more about pi tweaking than I do. I was going to try and give a few helpful pointers, but with your attitude, you can frankly shove it up your arse

Did putting the word pro is italics somehow make that a reference too you karma?

Before telling people to shove attitudes up their arses, check yours. :thumbdown:

[ReverendMaynard]

[puts on hat]
Karmakazi, we are all about sharing information around here. If you got something you want to share, then share away :)

Maybe we need to start a thread to do some real performance evaluation between the two OS's? Of course you have to compare with proper tweaks applied; not fresh full install to fresh full install.


Great idea Chuch!

[Splave]

LOL im just supposed to spill the beans huh? Ive combed more forums in more languages than I care to count to assemble my pi tweaks. You mention 3 things. Im not gonna give away the cake but if you want to try to find some useful things...

Look in the registry (I use over 25 reg tweaks), look in device manager, my pi install is 6 services and 7 processes and 92mb, certain ram subtimings have a big impact, OS appearance, priority&affinity, pagefile, copywaza file size, among many more that I dont give out in public forums anyways, much less to arrogant people :thumbsup:

Wasnt being arrogant just want to learn. Imo secret tweaks :thumbdown:

[karmakazi]

OK so because I did the leg work (at least 300+ hours reading crappy google translations, and another 100+ hours testing) I should just give it to you ? NONE of my tweaks are "secrets" they can ALL be found PUBLICALLY on the internet. I wasnt refering to you being arrogant, your a cool person from what Ive seen you post here and @ XS, I was referring to reverend. Maybe I will give some out AFTER the 32M comp publically. Otherwise you can speak to me on MSN if you want to know something more.

Im a levelheaded and nice person, totally willing to help people. But I will stand up for what I know to be right also.

[Splave]

Well your XP isnt properly tweaked then

I can do a clock for clock comparison with reverendmaynard's best time on hwbot. He has 8m25.xxx s @ 4505Mhz in Windows 7

I will use XPSP3 or 2k3 maybe both if I have time

In other news ill beat it by at least 3 seconds same clocks/ram etc ;)

And im not just making numbers up. Use performance product (PP) calculation to estimate your pi efficiency (cpu clock * pi time in seconds). You can then extrapolate/interpolate times at different clock speeds. The lower the PP the better your efficiency.

Im at work so I can only use examples from hwbot profiles. For instance in Reverend's run (http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=852711), 505.680 seconds * 4505 cpu = 2278088.4 PP

Versus my run (http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=876102) 421.3 seconds * 5009 cpu = 2154768.7 PP

If you want to see my pi time at 4505 simply substitute... x * 4505 = 2154768.7. X=478.306 seconds. So I should theoretically be able to beat that score by a half minute or so. Now if I match my ram clocks to his that gap would of course close a little, but XP is still faster.
Therefore drnips 2073600 pwns your sox off? :eek:

[karmakazi]

[puts on hat]

Gents, lets keep it clean and to the facts. If you have proof for the pudding then post it up. No need to start getting personal. Consider this a warning for no further attacks.

[/takes off hat]

Karmakazi, we are all about sharing information around here. If you got something you want to share, then share away :)

Maybe we need to start a thread to do some real performance evaluation between the two OS's? Of course you have to compare with proper tweaks applied; not fresh full install to fresh full install.

Sorry, you have my apologies. I like this forum alot, and if PURE hadnt formed I was pretty close to asking Kal if I could join hwbot team etc...

I am all for the sharing of information myself, but to ask someone to give away literally hundreds of hours of painstaking and boring testing... Superpi isnt a big secret like some ppl make it out to be. All the needed tweaks are out there, you just have to look, learn and most important test them. I learned more about superpi from testing and running 32M 150 times (for all the testing I did it was at least that many) than I learned from reading all the forums I did (english, french, russian, dutch, german, italian, chinese, japanese, etc).

I would be willing to help with any OS testing you guys want to do. For testing OS I would recommend only using LSC, copywaza and maxmem tweaks. Many XP reg tweaks dont work/arent effective on vista and 7.

[karmakazi]

Therefore drnips 2073600 pwns your sox off? :eek:

What run? Im just browsing his hwbot profile and his 5070mhz @ 7m13.xxx = 2216319 PP

EDIT: I found it, if your talking about his 3200mhz LCC submission? Lower clocks is easier to achieve lower PP.

[Splave]

ahh I see that does make sense :) thanks for clearing that up karma

[DrNip]

I will clear this all up guys when I get home. I will run the same settings and same 5 tweaks on my Windows 7 HDD. My bet is on my XP install.

[3oh6]

i am going to chime in here with my thoughts as i would fall under the 'pro's' category still using XP. i too believe XP is faster in SPi 32M, with that said, i haven't spent a significant time tweaking W7...actually couldn't say i ran 32M on W7 ever. i have never seen anything to contradict this either.

for you guys getting lower times in W7, can you run your best most tweaked run at 4GHz - 1000MHz 7-7-6 or 7-8-7 even - 4GHz uncore? possibly on a Classified? just for a reference time as there is a ton of data at 4GHz. the average is around 8m 44s for a well tweaked XP on Classified. a screen with CPU Tweaker for memory sub-timings would be great for comparison purposes. different motherboards are going to give different results, RTL/B2B CL/etc... all get set differently by different boards...but from another board would be fine as well.

any other W7 screens at 5GHz or higher would be great as well if you have them so i can compare to my slew of XP work. again Classy would be great but on any MB would do. unfortunately i am not at home right now so i can't partake in any direct comparisons at this time, just able to compare to screenshots i happen to have access to.

[Chuchnit]

Sorry, you have my apologies. I like this forum alot, and if PURE hadnt formed I was pretty close to asking Kal if I could join hwbot team etc...

I am all for the sharing of information myself, but to ask someone to give away literally hundreds of hours of painstaking and boring testing... Superpi isnt a big secret like some ppl make it out to be. All the needed tweaks are out there, you just have to look, learn and most important test them. I learned more about superpi from testing and running 32M 150 times (for all the testing I did it was at least that many) than I learned from reading all the forums I did (english, french, russian, dutch, german, italian, chinese, japanese, etc).

I would be willing to help with any OS testing you guys want to do. For testing OS I would recommend only using LSC, copywaza and maxmem tweaks. Many XP reg tweaks dont work/arent effective on vista and 7.

karma, I wasn't asking you to hand them out bud. I was just throwing the offer out there. Everybody has there view on tweaks and have every right to keep them to themselves if they wish. Just wanna make that clear.

[karmakazi]

I will freely share and trade tweaks with any cool peeps, just hit me up on MSN :thumbsup:

[dinos22]

lol amusing discussion here
i'm really enjoying the "experts" at work LOL


btw karma it's nice to know that you would have left us for another team as well had you not been invited to PURE....what did we do to you :(

[DrNip]

OK here we go. Some what of a comparison. Really my Windows 7 has a big disadvantage here as I am using a slimmed and trimmed nlite version of XP that has all the BS out of it where as I am using a fully loaded Windows 7. Also I was not able to use two of my tweaks on my Windows 7. One of them being Copy Waza as I don't have a partition on this drive and can't set it up the way I want to. That needed to be done on the install. The other tweak I'm not able to disclose right now. Whether that tweak actually has any real world performance, I can't say 100%. I have seen people rave about it but need to do some tests after the competition. Also this Windows 7 has been installed for months now where as my XP is a fresh install as of last week. I used the other three remaining tweaks on this run but whether they have the same effect as they did on XP I dunno as I haven't fully tested them. I think my score prolly would have been at least 3-5sec faster with the other 2 tweaks. There might also be tweaks that I dismissed on my XP install that didn't give me any gains that might of on my Windows 7. Along side my testing of my tweak that I can't reveal I will also do a standard XP and standard Winwos 7 test. Both will be full blown, bloated up installs with no tweaks what so ever to see what the real difference is between the two. I still have my money on XP in the end being faster. Enough of the talk. Here is my disadvatage Windows 7 run with 3 of the 5 tweaks I used on my XP run.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/travisjcottrell/superpi32_win7-1.jpg (http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj55/travisjcottrell/superpi32_win7.jpg)

[karmakazi]

lol amusing discussion here
i'm really enjoying the "experts" at work LOL


btw karma it's nice to know that you would have left us for another team as well had you not been invited to PURE....what did we do to you :(

Dinos its really nothing against you guys please believe me. You, James, George, Kosta, Gino, etc are all great ppl and I still consider you friends (hope its mutual). My decision was based on the fact that I want to advance past an "amateur" level. With i4, all the sponsorship goes to Team AU (rightfully so you guys rock and totally deserve it). I dont have much of a chance to be noticed by manufacturers being an American benching for an Australian team. I tried to first get around that by creating the Uberclocker OC Team, and bringing together some other North American members. I still couldnt get any interest, and I was actually asked by a Kingston rep why I was benching for an .AU team if I want sponsorship from US companies. Now I know your gonna say its going to be even harder to get noticed on a dream team with big names. I see it that way to a degree but also see it as a way to network and possibly make some good contacts. Basically this "hobby" is outgrowing my wallet and if I cant find some support somewhere, im going to have to cash in my chips. This economy has hurt my ebay business quite a lot tbh. Which by proxy means I dont sell as much hardware > less toys to bench with for "free." I really hope you understand where Im coming from. I wish i4 and Team AU nothing but the best. I would do anything I can to help you guys out.

Expect some points soon from my brother ILL-LOGIC hes going to have a bench session with me soon. Should be good for at least a 100 points as he is weak in many benches. Even though hes a lurker (works like crazy and plays games rather than browses forums) he wants to bench hard for you guys. And I willc ertainly help him in all ways possible... :thumbsup:

Get me on MSN man YGPM

[Kal-EL]

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I feel a disturbance in this thread.............Investigating now

[karmakazi]

glad its not the 48hr bell

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[DrNip]

Lets put a lil of that frustration into the contest guys. Still lonely on top here. LOL

[Kal-EL]

Round 1 ends in 48 hours or at 0700 hours on Friday, July 31, 2009, @ 0700 hours, Hawaii Time.
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[Splave]

i am going to chime in here with my thoughts as i would fall under the 'pro's' category still using XP. i too believe XP is faster in SPi 32M, with that said, i haven't spent a significant time tweaking W7...actually couldn't say i ran 32M on W7 ever. i have never seen anything to contradict this either.

for you guys getting lower times in W7, can you run your best most tweaked run at 4GHz - 1000MHz 7-7-6 or 7-8-7 even - 4GHz uncore? possibly on a Classified? just for a reference time as there is a ton of data at 4GHz. the average is around 8m 44s for a well tweaked XP on Classified. a screen with CPU Tweaker for memory sub-timings would be great for comparison purposes. different motherboards are going to give different results, RTL/B2B CL/etc... all get set differently by different boards...but from another board would be fine as well.

any other W7 screens at 5GHz or higher would be great as well if you have them so i can compare to my slew of XP work. again Classy would be great but on any MB would do. unfortunately i am not at home right now so i can't partake in any direct comparisons at this time, just able to compare to screenshots i happen to have access to.

here ya go did it on my lunch break for ya :) 8m59s with 4.5gb wazza lsc but 24 processes running :blush:

[DrNip]

Round 1 ends in 48 hours or at 0700 hours on Friday, July 31, 2009, @ 0700 hours, Hawaii Time.

I better try to get a better run in to make sure I don't get slid at the last minute.

[3oh6]

Round 1 ends in 48 hours or at 0700 hours on Friday, July 31, 2009, @ 0700 hours, Hawaii Time.
this sucks not being able to play.

here ya go did it on my lunch break for ya :) 8m59s with 4.5gb wazza lsc but 24 processes running :blush:
awesome, thanks. here is a screen shot of a properly tweaked XP at pretty much the exact same settings. i found one that matches your RTL and subs as close as i could. as i said, i still haven't seen anything to suggest that W7 is even in the same ballpark as XP/2k3 for 32M. even though you are running 3GB and have all 4 cores enabled - which is worth about 4-5 seconds i think compared to 6GB/2 cores enabled - the XP setup is still a lot quicker. this is my standard XP and process for 32M...

click for full size including CPU Tweaker...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/3oh6/oca/3990_1000_4000-1sm.png (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/3oh6/oca/3990_1000_4000-1.png)

[DrNip]

Sucks for you Jody but is great for us as we have a chance of winning! JK man.

[Splave]

awesome, thanks. here is a screen shot of a properly tweaked XP at pretty much the exact same settings. i found one that matches your RTL and subs as close as i could. as i said, i still haven't seen anything to suggest that W7 is even in the same ballpark as XP/2k3 for 32M. even though you are running 3GB and have all 4 cores enabled - which is worth about 4-5 seconds i think compared to 6GB/2 cores enabled - the XP setup is still a lot quicker. this is my standard XP and process for 32M...

No prob, so that is with reg tweaks, barebones, lsc etc? Do you use maxmem?
Apparently Im retarded when it comes to tweaking xp because whenever I try maxmem I get worse scores. :eek:

Another thing though is this is x64 windows 7, x32 7 is better by far. I will get a clean install and see what I can pull at those setting to compare.

[3oh6]

No prob, so that is with reg tweaks, barebones, lsc etc? Do you use maxmem?
Apparently Im retarded when it comes to tweaking xp because whenever I try maxmem I get worse scores. :eek:

Another thing though is this is x64 windows 7, x32 7 is better by far. I will get a clean install and see what I can pull at those setting to compare.
sounds good, i am interested in the best from W7 so if 32-bit is it, then i would love to see what you can pull off. just remember, enable only 2 cores instead of 4. i assume it is quicker on all OS's. perhaps try with 2 and then run with 4 just to see.

as for my XP setup, it is my best setup i use and i am always at the top of 32M efficiency. my OS isn't the best but close enough. there are definitely guys with better OS's setup in 2K3 or XP. i don't look at 32M tweaking as a specific set of tweaks, sure some are just "tweaks" like LSC, but i look at tweaking 32M as an entire process with setting up the OS.

for instance, maxmem isn't a tweak in the sense LSC is. you don't just enable it or set a value and get better results. maxmem can be used to enable higher stability when on the edge of memory (now uncore as well) clocks. maxmem is also used in conjunction with copy wazza and page file size. specific maxmem values combined with specific copy wazza methods and page file sizes can enhance the effects of copy wazza. it is sort of hard to explain but maxmem isn't what i call an "enable for better times" tweak...hence, why you don't get any gains or actually lose i would imagine.

[Splave]

right on bro, thanks for the info

[Kal-EL]

Did everyone get a chance to read this portion of the contest rules? Please answer if you did.

http://www.overclockaholics.com/Kal/TEMP/NoSpamRuleCorei7.JPG

[Splave]

the NO CHEATING part? rofl ;) i kid i kid

[DrNip]

Yes I read it. I had no internet all night so I was away for awhile.

[Splave]

I like the if your monitor is too small that sucks parts as well

[ocgmj]

Did everyone get a chance to read this portion of the contest rules? Please answer if you did.

10-4 good buddy...rules read and accepted.

[Buckeye]

Got it ;)

[69_Goat]

Yeah, Supes. Rules look good to me.
Can you delete my last score submission? I screwed up the date and time in the text doc. TY

[Cecil]

Thought it was 100 post by end of round two, not start. Was close, oh well.

[dinos22]

oh it's announced
blah i was gonna do some testing on the weeeknd for this

oh well :(

[DrNip]

I have about run 32m until I'm blue! Going back in to try a different angle as this one is tapped out.

[dinos22]

hmmm
maybe i will have time to fire up one of the i7 rigs

if i'm not too drunk (friday night) i'll give this a shot

how many runs go though to the second round?

[Kal-EL]

top half of list

[karmakazi]

Heres a preview for me. Using my micron based memory is really hurting things, as is 3x1GB Vs. 3x2GB kit. Hope it gets me to round two when my elpida hypers will be back in action! Still not to shabby for the slow memory speed im forced to run at...

696

[dinos22]

so no need to chase down Dr.Nip then hehehe

[DrNip]

I still can't believe I am on top.

[karmakazi]

I probably wont be able to submit at all now that it comes down to it. Theres noway I can get online with this OS (for cpuz and validation). I cant reinstall either because this msi board has no ide channel. I even went out and bought a sata dvd drive from bestbuy. When I try to install from my discs it doesnt see any boot media. only reason Im running is I had a drive is I was setting one up for rampage extreme but never used it. the problem is the OS has no network functions. Ill just play for the sake of it tho. Too bad :/

edit: trying a wireless card
/fingers crossed

[DrNip]

I've had nothin but the blues out of my 32m runs as well as GTX 295 runs tonight. Ain't nothin worse than when you come up empty handed. :(

[Deux]

I probably wont be able to submit at all now that it comes down to it. Theres noway I can get online with this OS (for cpuz and validation). I cant reinstall either because this msi board has no ide channel. I even went out and bought a sata dvd drive from bestbuy. When I try to install from my discs it doesnt see any boot media. only reason Im running is I had a drive is I was setting one up for rampage extreme but never used it. the problem is the OS has no network functions. Ill just play for the sake of it tho. Too bad :/

edit: trying a wireless card
/fingers crossed

It appears some people have taken the SS without the CPU-Z valid and the TPU Validator and added it in later in subsequent shots on another computer. I don't see a reason it shouldn't be allowed, but that isn't up to me

[karmakazi]

Well I can get all the results I want but with no way to get online its negated. Good luck to the remaining peeps :)

Wireless card didnt work so Im out of ideas

[karmakazi]

It appears some people have taken the SS without the CPU-Z valid and the TPU Validator and added it in later in subsequent shots on another computer. I don't see a reason it shouldn't be allowed, but that isn't up to me

Oh I wasnt aware that was allowed. I can of course video tape my run for verification if thats needed. Can an admin clear this up?

[Chuchnit]

Going over submissions for said results now. As of right now you MUST have cpuz valid AND super pi validation at the same time the run is made. Furthermore I don't see any way or reason why the rules would be subject to change, but of course the staff will bring this up for discussion.


If you have anyway submitted a run that is not in compliance with the stated rules, your scores will be invalid. Depending on the severety of the violation, your scores will either be blocked, or member will be given a vacation. Lets keep it clean and abide by the prescribed rules.

Lets keep this clean gents and not try to exploit any of the rules. Happy benching :)

[Kal-EL]

I'm gonna go ahead and make a command decision on this one. Its obvious that many benchers are running scaled down os to obtain their best possible times. This means "no internet" and they are carrying their screenshots to other computers to get cpu-z and tpu validated. This is gonna be deemed "ACCEPTABLE". Remember we have an honor system, nuff said.

One item that needs addressing is V2-V3's validated Superpi V 1.5 result. WTF? does the validator always work with 1.5? Regardless, V2-v3 will have to run on v.1.6 to make a qualifying run.

- Additionally, I've decided to keep the combatants from each round and carry them over to the succeeding rounds since we have so little combatants. Points system will remain in tact. This means a loser from the 1st round may have a chance at redemption in Rounds 2 and 3 FTW.
~Any questions?~

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[DrNip]

I think I have followed all the rules to a t... I hope. Even submitting scores from the rig I am benching in the contest.

[Kal-EL]

I think I have followed all the rules to a t... I hope.

Yes you have, cept everyone hates u for ur low time, LOL, thx for not trying to blurr the lines.

[DrNip]

Well f@#$! I gots to go to bed. I stayed up extra late tonight as I wasn't satisfied with my previous 3 hours of benching and not one better run. Got back out of bed a minute ago to get the second in a half lower score. :)

[dinos22]

I'm gonna go ahead and make a command decision on this one. Its obvious that many benchers are running scaled down os to obtain their best possible times. This means "no internet" and they are carrying their screenshots to other computers to get cpu-z and tpu validated. This is gonna be deemed "ACCEPTABLE". Remember we have an honor system, nuff said.

One item that needs addressing is V2-V3's validated Superpi V 1.5 result. WTF? does the validator always work with 1.5? Regardless, V2-v3 will have to run on v.1.6 to make a qualifying run.

- Additionally, I've decided to keep the combatants from each round and carry them over to the succeeding rounds since we have so little combatants. Points system will remain in tact. This means a loser from the 1st round may have a chance at redemption in Rounds 2 and 3 FTW.
~Any questions?~

techPowerUp! SuperPi 1.6 version.

SuperPi 1.6 Download (http://www.techpowerup.com/wizzard/super_pi_mod.exe)

Validator (http://www.techpowerup.com/superpi/)
lol man
superpi 1.6 is the same as XS 1.5 one
validations should be exactly the same

[dinos22]

I still can't believe I am on top.

your runs look pretty good to me man :)

[rickss69]

Just a quick point. Some of you need to do a better job on your screens. Some are so tiny or blurred they cannot be read with a magnifying glass...

[DrNip]

Come on guys. Some of you are getting way out there from what the rules are for screen shots. Some of you have more than half of some of your software/utilities cut off while others don't have CPU-z validations. Heck I even seen a 1.51 CPU-z in the screenshot but a 1.52 CPU-z validation? It's not that hard. There are more to these contests than just running the bench at the said speed. Proper screenshots are a part too as well using the right version of the software/utility detailed in the contest. I can understand not having the internet thing, taking a screen shot and saving the cpuz file to upload it and submit your run on another computer but having improper screenshots and the wrong software/utility versions I can't. You might as well run the bench at the wrong speed too!

[Kal-EL]

I've been getting a shitload of pm's regarding the lame screenshots that have been submitted thusfar in the contest. Also complaints of it being unclear if it is o.k. to super-impose screenys taken on a non-internet os onto a internet capable os. At first this was acceptable, but it opened too many doors. Some benchers werent sure so they benched what they brung, others chose to play the gray from the git go. I can see problems arising and it'll be no fun for anyone at the end of the day. We live and learn in anything new so here we are learning.


SO ROUND 1 is being extended to Wednesday, August 5, 2009, at 0700 hours Hawaii Time. You have until this time to get your screenys in on time. CPU Tweaker is being dropped from the i7 screeny requirments so we have continuity across the contests. Its not a popular decision, I know.



ROUND 1 REVISED SCREENY REQUIREMENTS






-Screenshot with the following all in one screeny (No internet? Get some): (REVISED!!!!!)

Super_PI_Mod_1.6 w/Validator 32M
techpowerup validator showing valid run
CPU-Z 1.51 w/processor, mainboard, mem, spd,
Text document w/ "Name, date, time, score, "Overclockaholics SPI_32M Challenge"
CPU-Z validation link that mirrors the date,time u completed the benchmark w/your name on it must be in your sumbission post.
AGAIN, Uploading to the forum is not necessary, having a clearly viewable screenshot IS!
This is a perfect example of a screenshot:
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=628929
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/ScreenHunter_01Jul310517.jpg

Enjoy the rest of the contest.

[dinos22]

oh man how long is it taking lol
i can go take a shower, have dinner and beer and this thing is still looping lol

10m43s should be enough for second round from my first run i think...thats what it seems to be heading towards :)

oh what
extended lol
oh well

i'll post it up anyways

[karmakazi]

how am I supposed to use cpuz 1.51 with a valid??? you can only valid with 1.52. So i followed the rules as best I could 1.51 in screen as rules state. For a valid u gotta use 1.52 tho. At least tell me if the screenshot is valid for my submission. I stayed up till like 4 am trying to get something decent in.

[dinos22]

how am I supposed to use cpuz 1.51 with a valid??? you can only valid with 1.52. So i followed the rules as best I could 1.51 in screen as rules state. For a valid u gotta use 1.52 tho. At least tell me if the screenshot is valid for my submission. I stayed up till like 4 am trying to get something decent in.

i just validated with 1.51 :S

[karmakazi]

omg I just saw we need different set of apps for screenshot? back to the drawing board...at least my hypers will be back in time 4 this one!

[karmakazi]

I get an error everytime i use 1.51. It works perfectly fine with 1.52


In case of problem, please send us an email with a short description of the issue. Please note that no cvf generated with an old version of CPU-Z will be added.

[karmakazi]

oh wait internet os required.... im out guys have fun :(

gonna do some real benching and get back into the top100, peace!

[dinos22]

lol weird

just put your name at the validation tab and clock publish
it worked for me
or download CPUz 1.51 again or something
how can it work here and not there makes no sense

[DrNip]

Well dinos you did what I had been trying to do for the last 4 days. Run my RAM at those speed. No matter what I did I couldn't. Got to get back in there and try some more.

[dinos22]

FYI
i didnt restart
just tightened it to 7-7-7-21-1T now and it's going

not much faster but faster nonetheless >> maybe high 42s or so

i'm done here i think
these RAM modules are too prescious to die on me i think lol

[karmakazi]

eh it doesnt matter. i wasted enough ln2 on this already

[DrNip]

Well my Muskins don't have that in it and definitely not my HyoerX's. My Blades cas 7's prolly did but those went back for a refund. Oh well, like I said it will come down to the fastest RAM.
But don't think I am layin down as I have until 8/5 now to pwn that score!

@ supes - Sorry if my complaint was the tipping point. At least I kept it in the discussion thread as I already knew your pm box was crazy! :rollineyes:

[dinos22]

lol dude if i spent 4 days on this what do you think i would end up on... :p heheheh

[DrNip]

Prolly 10m 30s!!! I sure the hell ain't no super pi!

[dinos22]

nah actually if i could get close to 40 i would be pretty stoked

but there is no point killing RAM over this

i can see that you still have some tweaking to do with the info provided in your screen

just keep at it

[Chuchnit]

Hey dinos, shouldn't you be playing high clock challenge with Andre Yang right now? fight12 :blush:

[Gunslinger]

I've been getting a shitload of pm's regarding the lame screenshots that have been submitted thusfar in the contest. Also complaints of it being unclear if it is o.k. to super-impose screenys taken on a non-internet os onto a internet capable os. At first this was acceptable, but it opened too many doors. Some benchers werent sure so they benched what they brung, others chose to play the gray from the git go. I can see problems arising and it'll be no fun for anyone at the end of the day. We live and learn in anything new so here we are learning.


SO ROUND 1 is being extended to Wednesday, August 5, 2009, at 0700 hours Hawaii Time. You have until this time to get your screenys in on time. CPU Tweaker is being dropped from the i7 screeny requirments so we have continuity across the contests. Its not a popular decision, I know.



ROUND 1 REVISED SCREENY REQUIREMENTS






-Screenshot with the following all in one screeny (No internet? Get some): (REVISED!!!!!)

Super_PI_Mod_1.6 w/Validator 32M
techpowerup validator showing valid run
CPU-Z 1.51 w/processor, mainboard, mem, spd,
Text document w/ "Name, date, time, score, "Overclockaholics SPI_32M Challenge"
CPU-Z validation link that mirrors the date,time u completed the benchmark w/your name on it must be in your sumbission post.
AGAIN, Uploading to the forum is not necessary, having a clearly viewable screenshot IS!
This is a perfect example of a screenshot:
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=628929
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/ScreenHunter_01Jul310517.jpg

Enjoy the rest of the contest.


Aren't you missing the CPUz validation link mirroring the date, time w/name?

[Kal-EL]

First post/rules post has it:


http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/images/icons/icon4.gif [CORE i7]Overclockaholics Super_PI_32M Low Clock Contest (ACTIVE!!!!!)
Corei7 LCC SP1_32M ========== 1st place Prize Winner
============================ 2nd place Eats 1st place shorts



First place prize is a new "BFG GTX285"


Official Discussion Thread: HERE (http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10940#post10940)
~Do not use the submission thread to discuss scores~

Rules: ~Read Carefully~
Must have 100 posts to play, Premium Subscribers and OCA Hwbot Gladiators exempt from post count req.
Absolutely no spamming to achieve 100 post count rule
Post count must be achieved by start of 2nd Round- no later!
No obscuring of information in the screenshots, if you're monitor is too small that sucks
If you can't boot with it, don't use it. No setfsb, tweak it, or any other software that manipulates cpu clock speeds within the operating system. Memory adjustments allowed.
no cheating!!!! HONOR SYSTEM!

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There will be two classes. Core 2 processors and Core i7. If you have two rigs, you can compete in both categories for both prizes. Check the contest section of the forum on the left sidebar for the other class (http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11326#post11326).

Submission Rules Core i7: ~Read Carefully~



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Super_PI_Mod_1.6 w/Validator 32M
techpowerup validator showing valid run
CPU-Z 1.51 w/processor, mainboard, mem, spd-populated!,
Text document w/ "Name, date, time, score, "Overclockaholics SPI_32M Challenge"
CPU-Z validation link that mirrors the date,time u completed the benchmark w/your name on it must be in your sumbission post.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=628929
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/ScreenHunter_01Jul310517.jpg



But I'll add it to this last post, thx for being a gem and pointing that out :D

[Gunslinger]

But I'll add it to this last post, thx for being a gem and pointing that out :D

Glad I could help. :rofl

I might even have to jump in now that you've extended it. :good:

[dinos22]

i've submitted according to your post before i started
dont tell me they arent right now lol

[dinos22]

Hey dinos, shouldn't you be playing high clock challenge with Andre Yang right now? fight12 :blush:

lol you tweak better than me dude
common show us the magic :p

[Kal-EL]

Come on guys, cut Soups some slack, its not like I'm getting the ole rub & tug for this. :shithappens:"

[dinos22]

so are my posts legit or what?

[Kal-EL]

so are my posts legit or what?

2 legit.

[dinos22]

2 legit.
.....2 legit to quit

oh that's a gay rhyme hahah

[DrNip]

I am going to have to hook up my pot as air just isn't going to get me there.

[dinos22]

thats the spirit
:D

[Chuchnit]

lol you tweak better than me dude
common show us the magic :p

You been sneaking into my dreams again :rofl I'm just a noob trying to learn buddy. NooB4Life. We'll see how good this chip is whenever my pot gets here. Dang it, I really need a dewar :blush:

[Chuchnit]

Dinos are you running a ss for this? Uncore is very nice :D

[Splave]

Awesome, more time thanks supes!

Can you just clarify, do we just need a valid link mirroring the date and time on the notepad? Or does it need to be in screenshot with the link as well.

pwn on

[rickss69]

Just like my submissions Splavity...:)

[69_Goat]

I don't understand how some of the submissions are getting a validation ID number without it showing up on the main page of CPU-Z. My ID numbers always show in the bottom LH corner of the main page after I validate CPU-Z. Can someone explain?

[rickss69]

I don't understand how some of the submissions are getting a validation ID number without it showing up on the main page of CPU-Z. My ID numbers always show in the bottom LH corner of the main page after I validate CPU-Z. Can someone explain?

Point one out and we will look at it. Are you speaking of the hwbot user id? If so, what has that to do with this contest? Looks like what you are talking about is part of your signature.

[Splave]

because you dont have to input the number back into cpu-z for it to be valid, it just shows your valid number if you do.

okay so you dont have to have cpu-z valid open just a link. Thanks rick

[rickss69]

This is what I have succumbed to...a stock HSF unfastened and held down by two junk hdd's with an extra fan thrown in to annoy me even more. Good enough to make my fastest runs so far. :taunt:


http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/DSC00175.jpg

[69_Goat]

The number circled in red.
It shows on CPU-Z after validation.

[ocgmj]

I believe it's because people are validating using the .cvf file instead of the auto summit.

[Splave]

guys I cant get my cpu-z valid page to say the right time and date? any thoughts? Is it because im a back to the future iso backup as my waza file rofl
http://i28.tinypic.com/r2q0qc.jpg

[DrNip]

guys I cant get my cpu-z valid page to say the right time and date? any thoughts? Is it because im a back to the future iso backup as my waza file rofl
http://i28.tinypic.com/r2q0qc.jpg

That's just the way it is as i believe it goes by the time of the country were it is based out of which is ahead of us here in America.

[Splave]

thanks nip just wanted to be sure

[DrNip]

Don't think I gave up yet. I got tied up for the weekend but have my rig torn down and fixing to hook the pot up to her for a DICE session sometime before Wednesday.

@ Supes - I submitted a 10 min 46 sec run 2 days ago that never got updated right before the contests got extended a few days more. Post # 23.

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=890&page=3

[DrNip]

OK pot is all setup. Goin to take another stab at this tonight and hopefully I will pick you off dinos! :gun2:

[rickss69]

I don't understand how colder is going to help at this stage of the contest Nip.

[DrNip]

Get my RAM higher or that is the plan. I can't complete a 32m trip at the 2150MHz on air like I want to or else I would be right there with him.

[Deux]

I don't understand how colder is going to help at this stage of the contest Nip.

Uncore and Memory clocks ;)

Edit: Nip beat me to it

[DrNip]

I don't think my RAM will do 1062 at 7-7-6-19. Maybe 7-7-7-20. Will see. I just wish I had my Blades back and that they were in working condition. :(

[rickss69]

I have determined my Classy (recently rma'd) is flaking out again. Will not clock over 4200MHz with any cpu/memory/psu combination I throw at it. Want to see something funny tho? Go look at my memory speed/uncore for my fastest run in the contest lol. Prior I had run uncore over 4500...

[DrNip]

Well I am having all types of problems with this DICE session. Sometimes your on and sometimes your off. Tonight I'm off. There is no way I can get my uncore at 4600.

[dinos22]

I don't think my RAM will do 1062 at 7-7-6-19. Maybe 7-7-7-20. Will see. I just wish I had my Blades back and that they were in working condition. :(

i purposefully posted all the RAM changes screens so you can get an idea how much you gain/lose

should be very fast even with 7-8-7- but obviously if you can ge5to 7-7- or 7-7-6 it would help

[DrNip]

It ain't happenin. I tried then gave up and tried some benching for the bot. It ain't happenin there either. You can't knock all the benches out the park all the time I guess.

[Splave]

nice update on the score goat, creepin up on me :) or what I have posted so far

[69_Goat]

Ya, can you feel me breathing down your neck. :bench::bench:

Gotta keep tweakin', round two is coming up.

[karmakazi]

What time today does the contest end? My new hypers are sitting here, and im ready to just install a stock xp from flash drive and see what I can come up with

[karmakazi]

I just checked hawaii time seems contest is over, maybe next time for me. Great job on the win dinos :)

[Splave]

damn tryed at lunch got 10m51.875 but it was 1.5 rofl. ah well to round 2 we go

[DrNip]

Well I am still tapped out and have been away from my computer the last two days or I would have gave it another go around on DICE. Just waiting on phase two now.

[Kal-EL]

Shit hit the fan at work fight10. F'n Full Moons,:flaminmad: I F'N hate um. Round 1 ended at 0700 hours Hawaii Time, Round 2 will begin shortly.

[DrNip]

Needing to take 1st on it if I want to have a chance.

[Splave]

awesome pumped to hear new deets

[Kal-EL]

Round 2 has begun @ 4.2ghz for Core i7
Ends when I say Round 2 is ending.......

[dinos22]

how long do we have when you say round 2 is ending?

[Splave]

lol when he says dinos, its a crap shoot. He could say round 1 ends in 29.735 seconds :) keeps it fun and on your toes, also dissuades hiding good scores till the end

[DrNip]

Well I'm under zero today working on this contest. You set the bar pretty high dinos. You just have some dynamite RAM there. Thinking we should have put a cap on the RAM MHz as well, lol. My best run right now looks to be a few too many seconds behind your sand bag run.

[3oh6]

well, sucks i couldn't have been home in time for round 1, because me and Dino would have had a pretty good battle. here are my screens that i just put together today for round 1.

same basic clocks as Dino...

http://3oh6photos.com/forum_post/oca/09_08/32m_3187_1062_7-7-6_4250-4.png

and then stepping it up a little with the memory...

http://3oh6photos.com/forum_post/oca/09_08/32m_3188_1125_7-8-7_4500-3.png

i know Dino would have squeezed more out had i posted these, would have been quite the push i think to win round 1. this is my first round two screen...i know you can catch it Dino, i may not be officially in it, but you still can't let me beat you :D

http://3oh6photos.com/forum_post/oca/09_08/32m_4188_1102_7-8-7_4408-1.png

low uncore FTW! ;)

[dinos22]

hehehe sandbaging ftw :D

i saw similar runs in rd1 you're on the money :thumbsup:

i had a scare with my sticks in rd2 and just did one run and that was it. i think my sticks are a touch upset now as i cant repeat my clocks from initial testing....i am crashing at lower clocks no in 32M with identical settings :( but thats superpi for ya >> it eats RAM hahah

i cannot affort to kill these sticks so you can have the unofficial glory hehehe :D

[DrNip]

8m 18 sec, very nice. My Ascents are some fast RAM but not the fastest on the block.

[Kal-EL]

Round 2 is over! Round3 clock limit is 4.5ghz!!!!

Round 2 Ranking + Current Standings:

dinos22 8m21.703s + 6 points + 10.5 = 16.5 points
DrNip 8m 26.531s Intel Core i7 920 D0 + 5 points + 9.5 = 14.5
69_Goat 920 CO 8m 32.609s + 4 points + 8.5 = 12.5
Splave 920 d0 8m 33.188s + 3 points + 7.5 = 10.5
rickss69 unchanged @ 6.5
RomDominance unchanged @ 5.5
ocgmj unchanged @ 4.5

[DrNip]

Hopefully I can pull a miracle out here.

[punx223]

wow nice work guys.... those are soem amazing results

[ocgmj]

Sorry Supes, have to withdraw from the contest. Have a bad board.

[Kal-EL]

Travesty! May she rest in peace. :scared:


Next contest will be pushups, no need for hardware. ohcrap

[punx223]

Sorry Supes, have to withdraw from the contest. Have a bad board.

hey bro did you get the new board?

[3oh6]

come on Dino, i'll push you if no one else will. your run at this clock was quicker than at 4.2GHz though, you'll make me work to win this clock speed i think :up:

http://3oh6photos.com/forum_post/oca/09_08/32m_4482_1067_7-7-6_4269-1.png

[DrNip]

I will be trying to push him but don't have any free time until Saturday morning. I will try tomorrow night but most likely Saturday morning.

[dinos22]

lol dude
i was having problems with this ATI card and CBFd pulling it out because of the mess of cables and watercoolin going on in the rig and 6xiRAMs strapped to it from some other testing i am also doing

you should see a photo of this rig :rofl

but with a superpi card it should be easy below 48 :)
i'll give it a crack hehe

oh really weird >> my first run was actually 49.1 and later i was doing 49.4s

with tight timings like yours i was crashing around 18th loop but it exactly the same and it should have been below 48......wazza is all over the place

i'll give you a run for your money no problems (if my only RAM kit dies i will mail you some anthrax you bastard :D)

btw this is what i was actually messing around with last night
gotta figure out some of the issues i have with certain parts of the bench AND i dont know WTF is going on but ORB says my submissions are corrupt with 6xiRAMs
i remember Chris and Vince having these problems as well
(i am still testing so i am leaving XP startup as it is for now...i'll slow it down on final runs)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3541/pcmark0527386p.jpg

[ReverendMaynard]

sick card clocks ;)

[Kal-EL]

We're wrappin this one up guys, refer to last post in contest submission thread.


Figured I'd run a straight run here, no os tweaks or optimization:
8m7.219s (not bad)
http://www.overclockaholics.com/Kal/Corei7/8m7s219ms_SPI32m.JPG

[69_Goat]

Nice run, Supes.

[Kal-EL]

Thx, I think thats as far as I'm going on air however, but its fun. :D

[dinos22]

thats not bad for no tweaks however large sys cache and the other one look like they are set to 1 in registry >> you can tell your start time is very fast

probably something thats enabled by default in that OS if youdidnt touch registry

[Kal-EL]

Yah, "Zero os tweaks or optimization" so I dunno, haven't peaked into the registry yet.

[69_Goat]

Congrats to Dinos on the win, Buddy.

@Supes. Large system cache was set by default in my Win7 install.

[punx223]

Congrats dinos. Best ram wins, but it was definitely a great battle to watch

[Kal-EL]

Congrats to Dinos on the win, Buddy.

@Supes. Large system cache was set by default in my Win7 install.

Thx bud, that answers that "tweak" :laughing:

[DrNip]

Congrats man. You had me beat with the better RAM as well as with the Ln2.

[dinos22]

cheers fellas

[dinos22]

Congrats man. You had me beat with the better RAM as well as with the Ln2.

i dont need LN2 nor better RAM to beat your score
there are a lot of things you can work on to improve your times
keep at it you'll get there. SuperPi takes time and lots of practice :thumbsup:

[DrNip]

Oh no not to beat my score but to beat yours yes.

[dinos22]

sorry not sure what you mean now :Dizzy:

[DrNip]

I was saying that I could improve on my score but there was no way I was going to beat you with your RAM and ln2 when it was all said and done. My RAM just didn't have it in it and my uncore just couldn't run that fast though it might have with better cooling than DICE.

What I want to know now that the contest is over, are you gouing to share some of your jedi skills? All I was using was overclocked install, large system cache and copy wazza. I tried many of other tweaks but they just seemed to hurt my score.

[dinos22]

there is nothing magic about my superpi except hard work

i do spend a lot of time getting to know platforms and how RAM overclocks on it and how it all affects superpi though but the tweaks are almost universal with some slight system adjustments needed from time to time

tweaking pi has been discussed to death on XS and other forums and it's basically all been laid out many times. Trouble is that these days tweaks do very little to improve your efficiency due to CPUs having large cache internally. This is what for example wazza helped with a lot with older chips. i remember in good old days some chips could have as much as a few minutes imprvement in time with a good wazza. these days we are talking about 1-3 seconds MAX.

what i suggest you do is actually do some searching on XS and sit in front of your system and try things > GIVE THEM A SERIOUS TRY BEFORE YOU GIVE UP. this is the key. i can memtest for days sometimes until my face turns blue almost just tinkerin with different things

dont assume things > test them yourself and find out >> i'll give you a hint > increasing NB doesnt mean faster pi times ;).....it can make it slower when higher NB if the rest of your subtimings are not balanced. you have to find the right mix so assuming higher NB = faster is wrong if you dont have your other timings in order.

test your tweaked OSes as well. get to know nlite and how it all works and what makes a difference

if you put the work in you will get the best results AND whatever new platform comes around you should be able to adapt much quicker than someone else would who relies on others to give them tips

this is the best advice i think i can give for someone that wants to get more serious about their superpi. Nothing wrong with comparing notes with others but you have to get to that stage where you put a lot of work into it and then tweak more out of the system by comparing notes. Thats why i chat with some of my benching friends to work out kincs in my benching no matter what benchmark.....

[DrNip]

I hear ya. I have pretty much combed the net for tweaks and ideas and used them to death. What I have found is what works for one doesn't always for the other. I will tell you from the contest I improved my Superpi by 20 seconds at the bot which netted me a 7 min 2 sec run. ALMOST SUB-7!!!! :argh::argh:

You are one of the greats at this bench and it was a privilege to go neck to neck with ya if you want to call it that. I was just interested in what tweaks you might have used to see if I have tried them as most of the info out there are for 775's which are a different story. What I found that works best for me is of course a fast overclock on my CPU, high MHz on my RAM with tight timings with of course tight sub-timings. I have many of more runs on this bench and I mean many of more before I consider myself good at it. This bench was once one of my not-liked benches but has become my favorite since I've had my i7 platform.

[dinos22]

are you sure man
why are you not running maxmem :S

doesnt look as though you really tried hard enough cause it should have made a difference combined with wazza for sure

you also have vga drivers loaded so who knows how well you tweaked the OS.....you have to make the OS lean for superpi cause you are trying to reduce the amount of processes tapping into your RAM while you are computing pi

all these little things add up as you've probably noticed shaving up 20 seconds which is a great start

[DrNip]

Couldn't figure it out actually. Still a noob on it and looking for some guidance. I have seen many of tweak write ups on Super Pi but none really on max mem and copy wazza. I'm not the only one that feels that away as I have spoke with others that are clueless on this.

Never heard of the GPU driver thing. So leave them uninstalled or what?

Oh and I tried hard with what knowledge I had on the bench.

[dinos22]

start with say
600 maxmem
copy files from one partition to another and then back when finished
use small page file size

OS if its idling too high (used RAM) is a good indication but it this is not really

i always use one of my low end nvidia cards for Pi normally as it seems to give me good times.....ati i always take a hit on donno why

you should be able to shave more

anyways i'll leave you to it :thumbsup:

[DrNip]

This is about the best guide I could find out there and after going back and looking at it for about the 100th time I see how to use maxmem within the guide.

http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=332

What I want to know is how to use maxmem with copy wazza as I see people refer to this all the time. Do you use maxmem 1st the copy wazza or vise versa?

[punx223]

i do have to agree on teh vga drivers amongst other stuff, as i found a fresh install of XP64 ran best... with minimal clutter

[DrNip]

Come to think of it I do have a ATI 2900 pro card that I could use. Also I was using a monitor with a res. of 2048x1152. Prolly should have hooked up my 1280x1024 one.