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Kal-EL 12-28-2009 07:56 AM

All things Fermi
 
Post all things Fermi in this thread.


http://www.legitreviews.com/news/7029/
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NVIDIA Fermi GF100 Video Cards To Support 32x Anti-Aliasing Mode


NVIDIA has been releasing all sorts of GeForce GF100 Fermi video cards facts on Facebook and Twitter for the past month. Tonight they just posted up that the GF100 supports a brand new 32x anti-aliasing mode for ultra high-quality gaming! This is an interesting piece of news and at this rate it will be curious to see what secrets of the card they have not mentioned! http://legitreviews.com/images/news/...fermi_chip.jpg

NVIDIA GeForce GF100 Fermi Video Card Facts
  • GF100 is the codename for the first GeForce GPU based on the Fermi architecture!
  • The GF100 board is 10.5-inches long -- the same length as GeForce GTX 200 Series graphics cards!
  • GF100 packs in over 3B (billion!) transistors
  • The GF100 supports full hardware decode on the GPU for 3D Blu-Ray
  • GF100 graphics cards will provide hardware support for GPU overvoltaging for extreme overclocking!
  • GF100 supports a brand new 32x anti-aliasing mode for ultra high-quality gaming!



Witchdoctor 12-28-2009 08:17 AM

wish they could get this thing out to retail already

Kal-EL 12-28-2009 08:54 AM

Hopefully I can snap some close ups at CES ;)

Russianhaxor 12-28-2009 09:27 AM

Damnit, nothing new here. I dont understand whats so spectacular about this.

I need to go get my Fermi architecture data sheets and stop this madness.

DrNip 12-29-2009 02:11 AM

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NVIDIA Fermi possibly delayed to march 2010
By Hilbert Hagedoorn, December 29, 2009 - 10:04 PM


The rumors go on and on regarding NVIDIA's Fermi architecture. The latest report from digitimes now states that Fermi 40nm based GPUs won’t make its expected early 2010 launch, and nor will it be ready in time for CES 2010 in January. The claim is that NVIDIA have been telling producers to only expect the DirectX 11-compatible Fermi chips in March 2010, and suggest that defects have prompted the delay.

NVIDIA, for their part, have declined to comment on “unannounced products”, and would not confirm that the chips were first expected in November this year and then initially delayed until CES.

The first chip is expected to be the Fermi-GF100, using GDDR5 memory, and arriving in March, while NVIDIA are believed to be readying a GF104 version for Q2 2010 to target the high-end market with its GeForceGTX295/285/275/260.
SOURCE:
http://www.guru3d.com/news/nvidia-fe...to-march-2010/

Either shit or get off the pot Nvidia. (Sorry for the sudden outburst.)

karmakazi 12-29-2009 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DrNip (Post 20394)

Either shit or get off the pot Nvidia. (Sorry for the sudden outburst.)

I agree... stringing people along, physx/ati thing, renaming 8800gts512/9800gtx/gts250... arent the way to keep customers loyal.

Kal-EL 12-29-2009 06:13 AM

And yet we all keep hoping for the next big thing from Nvidia/ATI, rooting each camp on like savage traitors. One month ATI who ares and the next Nvidia junkies. Praying that maybe thru some divinity, some pixie dust will fall onto your wish that Nvidia/ATI unnexpectedly releases a humdinger that blows everyone's socks off.

But in reality, you'd need to wait 2 years from release to get "Big Bang" drivers that actually increase performance by a large measure. Or wait 4 years for a decent performing card with wacky fan controls and crap filled drivers.

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Originally Posted by DocNip
Either shit or get off the pot Nvidia. (Sorry for the sudden outburst.)

They may have had a very large shipment of "Pot" that's reducing their work performance.

Neuromancer 12-29-2009 07:38 AM

"May be delayed" till March. Umm I thought we knew that for at least a month.

Back in November they said Q2 right? (Or did they say Q1 and everyone just assumed they meant the very last day of Q1) LOL

Oh and that is SO totally a fake name. Hilbert Hagedoorne. LMAO

thebanik 12-29-2009 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer (Post 20419)
"May be delayed" till March. Umm I thought we knew that for at least a month.

Back in November they said Q2 right? (Or did they say Q1 and everyone just assumed they meant the very last day of Q1) LOL

Oh and that is SO totally a fake name. Hilbert Hagedoorne. LMAO

Dunno fake or not but he certainly is a respected member of guru3d team...........

Neuromancer 12-30-2009 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by thebanik (Post 20466)
Dunno fake or not but he certainly is a respected member of guru3d team...........

Actually he is the owner. I keep forgetting about that guy. Once a year or so I see his name and go OMGWTF! and have to look it up to make sure it is not fake.

DrNip 02-02-2010 12:16 AM

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NVIDIA's First DirectX 11 Accelerators are GeForce GTX 480 and 470
A tweet on NVIDIA's Twitter account reveals that the company's first DirectX 11 compliant consumer graphics products will be named GeForce GTX 480 and GeForce GTX 470, against popular opinion that they could make for the GeForce GTX 300 series. The most likely reason for this could be that the company has released mobile graphics products under the GeForce GT 3xx series which are based on its GT21x series GPUs which are DirectX 10.1 compliant. It would be hence easier to make out that DirectX 11 products start in the 400 series.

The two are based on NVIDIA's GF100 GPU which physically has 512 CUDA cores (shader units), a 384-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface, and DirectX 11 compliance. While the GTX 480 is likely the full-featured part, it remains to be seen how NVIDIA carves out the GTX 470 SKU. An enquiry by AnandTech confirmed the authenticity of the Twitter account.
SOURCE:
http://www.techpowerup.com/114342/NV...0_and_470.html

RomDominance 02-02-2010 03:39 AM

If they keep screwing around, ATI will get the jump on them again....this is pathetic. They are gonna regret neglecting the enthusiast market. Wrong time to be making stupid financial decisions but oh well, as OC would say, "it is what it is".

Witchdoctor 02-02-2010 04:27 AM

I agree they will soon have to compete with the 5870 refresh AKA 5890 or what ever they call it.....

But we probably will all buy one even if it is released in 2011 ............:ohcrap:

Seriously though I can't wait to have one of these in my hands .....

nV control panel = WIN

Splave 02-02-2010 06:56 AM

5890 with 1000/1300 standard I would assume (just cherry cores most likely) Would be a good move for ati, so they can just focus on their ass drivers.

Fermi is becoming a joke, maybe we will see it by quarter 4?

Kal-EL 02-05-2010 01:46 PM

Anybody got the low-down updates?

GFDuke 02-05-2010 02:07 PM

Nothing here. everything is so hush hush it makes you wonder if they will even have a card that will be able to compete.

Neuromancer 02-05-2010 04:18 PM

See this is the whole problem...

All the nVidia fanboyism on other forums is going to ruin the company, it was... I am waiting Fermi will pwn... yeah I think they are gonna pwn.... if they don't pwn I am buying an ATI card! and lastly.. ah fark it, anyone have a 5800 series in stock I am tired of waiting.

the (now) 400 series cards do not have to pwn a 5970. The should have released the tech at lower clocks, not geared it as a flagship, and let it mature a bit.. get some freaking new sales coming in... and buy themselves time to develop the platform.

With their driver and game hacks, plus the ACTUALLY ADOPTED features like PhysX and CUDA and the like. The can put out another 260 level card (cuz lets face... not everyone could afford a 28X series card, EVERY nVidia 200 series owner had at least one 260 though). Probably the most popular card on the freaking planet

Put out one of them based on the fermi arch... develop it mature it with drivers... and get enough time to get a 280 or better level card out.

JMHO

DrNip 02-06-2010 01:50 AM

Yeah they will prolly pwn but it looks as though ATI is saving the 5890 for when the fermi monster drops. As we know the 4890 pwned the 4870 and I can only assume the 5890 will the 5870.

Afterburner 02-06-2010 03:44 AM

Regardless.... When they do finally come out one very smart move is the 3d and multiple monitor support that is backwards compatible.... Brilliant!

And as far as Pwn'g... Fermi needs to at least compete, or they will be in trouble.

I totally agree on the 260. IMHO the 260 is one of the best price/performance cards ever produced. I hope they match the same combination in this next series as well. I would much rather spend $500 on each business computer for SLI than $400 for a single card and not be able to run Multi monitors...

I snagged my 5870 because I wanted DX11 now and the Eyefinity was just to strong of a new toy. And I am very pleased with m purchase. I cannot say enough about the Eyefinity experience. Even my wife digs it. She usually uses her Laptop the most, well now she uses my gaming rig to surf... sigh....

MaadDaawg 02-06-2010 08:32 AM

I predict they'll release the cards on March 30th.... just a hunch :D

DrNip 02-12-2010 01:58 AM

In detail NVIDIAs Rocket Sled Demo: DirectX 11, Physics, Fluids and More


Neuromancer 02-17-2010 11:37 AM

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WITH ANOTHER LAUNCH of the Nvidia GT300 Fermi GF100 GTX480 upon us, it is time for an update on the status of that wayward part. Production parts have been coming back from TSMC for several weeks now, and the outlook for them is grim.

We first got word that production A3 GF100s were back in Santa Clara near the end of January. When enough of them rolled off the line to characterize the silicon, we hear there were no parties in Santa Clara. For those not interested in the 'why' side of things, the short answer is that the top bin as it stands now is about 600MHz for the half hot clock, and 1200MHz for the hot clock, and the initial top part will have 448 shaders. On top of that, the fab wafer yields are still in single digit percentages.

That said, the situation is far more nuanced than those three numbers suggest, and the atrocious yields are even after the chip has been downclocked and defective units fused off. To make matters even worse, the problems that caused these low yields are likely unfixable without a complete re-layout. Lets look at these problems one at a time.

Number one on Nvidia's hit list is yields. If you recall, we said that the yield on the first hot lot of Fermis that came back from TSMC was 7 good chips out of a total of 416 candidates, or a yield of less than 2 percent.

The problem that Nvidia faces can be traced to what it is doing to fix the issues they face. The three steppings of GF100 are all what are known as metal layer spins, something that is cheaper and faster than a full base layer respin, taking about two months to see results. A full base layer respin takes well over a quarter, likely more than six months to accomplish, and costs more than $1 million just for the masks. Metal layer spins are denoted by upping the number, A1 to A2 for example, while base layer respins up the letter, A3 to B1. Nvidia counts first silicon from A1, so the current A3 is the third metal spin.

Metal layer spins tend to solve logic problem like 1 + 1 = 3, not power or yield issues. Most yield problems are related to the process that the chips are made on, and modified by factors like how fast you try to run the transistors, how much you bend the design rules, and other related issues. While this is a very simplified version, metal layer spins don't tend to do much for power consumption or yield problems.
Full story at source



Source: Semiaccurate

FACE 02-17-2010 12:03 PM

Damn, sucks to be nVidia right about now. They should really start whoring out their gtx200's at half price to push for the funds for a base spin.... :Dizzy:

Neuromancer 02-17-2010 12:27 PM

200s were extremely expensive to produce too I beleive, the poor price:performance ration was not so much them gouging the consumer just extremely expensive products to produce.

Witchdoctor 02-17-2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FACE411 (Post 26630)
Damn, sucks to be nVidia right about now. They should really start whoring out their gtx200's at half price to push for the funds for a base spin.... :Dizzy:

Until they do there market share will remain to be complete crap ...

260/216 should roll in the 150 range at least

285's I would say need to be around 250

You have to give it to ATI for getting the dx 11 out the door and even know they are struggling with drivers they have acomplishe their goal by stealing the high end with the 5870 and the midrange market with the 5850 witch is just a tick slower

NV will have to compete with a refresh but I see no reason why ATI would release this until Nv puts something out to compete with the current line up

ReverendMaynard 02-18-2010 02:26 AM

I'm actually excited for anything new from nVidia. Ati has done a remarkable thing with the 5 series but all of this GSOD, driver stops and generally shit drivers has left me looking for something from the green team.

Dentlord 02-18-2010 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard (Post 26684)
I'm actually excited for anything new from nVidia. Ati has done a remarkable thing with the 5 series but all of this GSOD, driver stops and generally shit drivers has left me looking for something from the green team.

I couldnt agree more, although the 5870 is a fantastic card for getting benchmark scores, I would never in a million years use one or more of these things in my gaming rig.
Fermi will be in there as soon as it comes out (pending total suckage, which I cant imagine would happen) just because I know the drivers will work, SLI will work, and any issues that come up will be far easier to deal with than the damn ATI driver nonsense.

Witchdoctor 02-18-2010 02:42 AM

I hear ya. I have not had to deal with the CF issues since I only have one of them.

I sure hope when they do bring it out and it is a home run....

If not look for a lot of developmental people at nV to get the ax ........

ReverendMaynard 02-18-2010 03:07 AM

You're over-exaggerating nVidia's current situation WD. What happens when AMD has to recall the 5 series? They can't fix it through driver revisions so they just have to admit that there is a hardware fault. OEM system manufacturers are applying pressure because the return rate is massive. People who pay $3000 for a pre-built rig don't bench it where the 5 series shines, they game on it and surf the internet, where the 5 series fails. Don't believe everyone who makes cliff notes from FUD articles brother, what's happening in the real world get's twisted by that bag of douche.

HITandRUN 02-18-2010 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard (Post 26690)
You're over-exaggerating nVidia's current situation WD. What happens when AMD has to recall the 5 series? They can't fix it through driver revisions so they just have to admit that there is a hardware fault. OEM system manufacturers are applying pressure because the return rate is massive. People who pay $3000 for a pre-built rig don't bench it where the 5 series shines, they game on it and surf the internet, where the 5 series fails. Don't believe everyone who makes cliff notes from FUD articles brother, what's happening in the real world get's twisted by that bag of douche.

Could not agree more! I mean sure they have had their share of issues etc. but I'm sure once this thing comes out it will shine. ATI got the go on the DX11 stuff but as you see they raced so had and got a product out which has fault + the drives always has been shitty as far as I'm concerned. I guess we will see in a few weeks what is going to happen. :thumbsup:

FACE 02-18-2010 04:05 AM

Meh, driver-shmiver. Neither one of them write drivers worth a shit until the cards are old news. Bench your old 8 and 9 series nV rigs and you'll see what I mean. :thumbdown:

ReverendMaynard 02-18-2010 04:17 AM

shit drivers are one thing, hardware failure is another. 10.2 Cat release notes don't mention...or fix the GSOD issue. Pretty safe to say it's much more complicated than Power Play.

Witchdoctor 02-18-2010 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard (Post 26690)
You're over-exaggerating nVidia's current situation WD. What happens when AMD has to recall the 5 series? They can't fix it through driver revisions so they just have to admit that there is a hardware fault. OEM system manufacturers are applying pressure because the return rate is massive. People who pay $3000 for a pre-built rig don't bench it where the 5 series shines, they game on it and surf the internet, where the 5 series fails. Don't believe everyone who makes cliff notes from FUD articles brother, what's happening in the real world get's twisted by that bag of douche.


Wow I had no idea it was so wide spread. I though the only catostophic failures were from benchers. I will have to read up a bit so I know the skinny on this shit ......

At any rate lets hope nV delivers big and we all can put the 5 series behind us.

One thing for sure if the 5 series turns out to be a finacial fail for AMD it could mean trouble for the underdog chip maker.

DrNip 02-22-2010 04:58 AM

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WTF on these prices. I can only hope these are jacked up.

http://www.sabrepc.com/c-27-desktop-...nids=30&list=0

Attachment 1571

Witchdoctor 02-22-2010 05:00 AM

Ouch ...............

FACE 02-22-2010 05:24 AM

Yeah I would hope so.... They can kiss my ass if they think I'm paying that much for a gpu... especially one that may or may not be partially faulty or disabled in some way. :thumbdown:

Gutterz 02-22-2010 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DrNip (Post 27286)
WTF on these prices. I can only hope these are jacked up.

http://www.sabrepc.com/c-27-desktop-...nids=30&list=0

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I smell Ultra prices :blink:

Did you read the reviews on that site Nip? their funny as hell.

http://www.sabrepc.com/p-174-xfx-gef...16-retail.aspx

Neuromancer 02-22-2010 06:23 AM

Funny how they are preselling now, and supposedly 480 is not going to be available till MAy now?

470 should be available in March in limited quantities and expectations are it is geared at the 5850?

Witchdoctor 02-22-2010 06:29 AM

Well if they ar going after the 4850 first, they are way off the price point

Kal-EL 03-02-2010 11:47 PM

http://i.tpucdn.com/images/news/nvidia.gif
GeForce GTX 480 PCB and Cooling Assembly Pictured
Sources wanting anonymity sent these pictures of PCB and cooling assembly to sections of the media. The PCB is that of the GeForcehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif GTX 480, and is NVIDIA's reference design. It gives away a fair amount of information about the card that has created quite some hype over the months, which is slated for release on March 26. To begin with, the GF100 GPU on which GTX 480 is based, uses essentially the same type of package as the GT200 and G80. To help cool the large die (with a 3 billion-strong transistor count), an integrated heatspreader (IHS) is used. However, unlike with the G80 and GT200 (past two generations of extreme performance GPUs from NVIDIAhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif), the display logic is integrated into the GPU package, instead of being spun off into NVIO processors.

With 12 memory chipshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif on board, the GPU connects to them over a 384-bit wide memory interface. The reference design board is expected to have 1536 MB (1.5 GB) of memory on it. There's also an unusual amount of simplicity to the board design and choice of components. The GPU is powered by a 6-phase vGPU circuit using more standard DPAK MOSFETs. There is a 2-phase vMem circuit. With wide open spaces in the PCB, NVIDIA actually made two cutouts to help the blower's air intake.



Power is drawn from an 8-pin and a 6-pin power connector. Fan connects over a standard 4-pin PWM controlled line, while the white 2-pin connector in the picture powers an illuminated GeForce logo on the top of the card (next to the power inputs). Connectivity includes two DVI-D, and a mini HDMI connector. The PCB itself seems to be about as long as reference GeForce GTX 280 boards. The cooling assembly doesn't show off lavish use of copper, but looks equally complex as older cooling assemblies by the company for such GPUs.


Source: Tweakers.net


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