6970 availible
 

6950
 

Looks like all they will be good for is gamer rigs. Right now it seems as if Nvidia will own pretty much the whole bench suite other than maybe AM3.

pretty good pricing imo :D people were selling used 5870s for a little under that

yeah i love the price on it....i wonder if they'll increase the pricing..coz right now its just soo tempting

one good thing i see is voltera...but not much caps..

on the screaming 6870...the used chil....

To me it almost looks like a re-hash of the 5870 ref PCB?? Guess it's back to adding a ton of caps all over the place huh?

Killer deal for gamers with twice the teselation preformance of the 5870 ....
I agree for benchers though not much of an invesment unless they get real popular and there is hardware bointage to be had, Globals will be owned by the the 580

I am glad to see nV finally beat AMD to the punch the 4 K series and 5 K series they have been calling the shots even though the nV late to the party cards have outpreformed them, main stream just not willing to upgrade for 5 or 10%

But nV is calling the shots here and if hind sight is 20/20 AMD will never release a mid line card first ..... dumb ass move if you asked me, even if they would have only beat nV by two or three weeks they could have held the crown for those two weeks over the 480 ....

Now the shoe is on the other foot and our next vid event will be Spring refreshes of these cards or will this force AMD to throw out some new tech in the second quarter ????

I don't think we can really count on many refreshes since 28nm (next shrink) isn't even gonna hit production stage until H2 2011. Pretty much it will be what you see is what you get other than 6990 and maybe a dual Nvidia card. Oh and it should give partners plenty of time to come up with custom cards.

OH NO not another MSI Lightning FAIL :shock:

the 480 lightning is good...whats wrong with it?

some do 1100 some do 1400 lol too much of a variation imo

Someone isn't paying attention. 95% of them did 1100.

See sig

Bin the fucking things ........... period

MSI needs to make every lightning scream as marketed IMO

you really suggesting binning them? like the 980x some are good some aren't.

its the same game. calling them fail is a fail deduction in itself

IDK about that. Try spending a few thousand on them and not getting a good one then get back to me on that.

I obviously disagree with that deduction.... apples and oranges my friend

there is no 980X other than the one from Intel.... they do not market any batch to be better than another ... you simply buy a 980X and hope for the best

MSI throws out cherries to sponcered heavy weights and markets these to be da buam LN2 cards .... we are targeted, make no mistake..

It is a shame so many of us end up being disapointed ...... :shock:

All I am am asking from MSI if they are marketing them as hot rods AKA better than the other guys card, they should take the responcibility of making sure they are.

looking at the results from msi lightnings 480s...i don't think they're binning...

here's the 480s...use 1xgpu
http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/videoc...0?tab=rankings

17 out of top20 single vantage are from msi.

LOL ..............

Honda, I am not going to argue about the suceess of these cards

When you get a good one it is great ..... no argument there

My problem is how many thousands of cards did it take to find those 17 :Dizzy:

But nuff said on this, Suffice to say I won't be rolling the dice on an overpriced lottery ticket anytime soon

Sometimes hwbot can be decietful I think. Especially with the highest of high end gear. The sample size is naturally going to be very small in one hand due to cost, and in the other the top end gear is what the manufacturers are going to be pushing out to the sponsered guys. You end up with a large proportion of the results from sponsered clockers who got to bin who knows how many samples before you see what they posted??

I think what Witchdoctor is trying to say is that for the price premium and the crazy amount of marketing (ln2 jumpers and whatnot) that the norm should be that the cards perform better than most ref cards. If they didn't market them so hard with hand selected samples to advertise their dominance over ref cards, then it would be no harm, no foul.

Guys, the lightning price premium is for power circuitry. And it's appropriate. Still need to bin the GPU.

There's no friggin way any company would be able to recoup the cost of true binning from consumers on anything more than very limited samples for advertising and reviews. They would lose money.

I've had it with ATI for while.

Maybe when they grow up and learn how to write drivers for their damned cards.

Pretty much the gospel right there buddy. My beef, and it is a small one, is with the way they go about marketing it. Actually with the way Nvidia does their binning on GF100-110 it should be possible if SF3D's P-state research is true in large scale. The problem is MSI is at the will of nvidia as far as agreeing to sale high leakage GPU's. Then if Nvidia is willing to do that, how much more are they gonna want to charge for a premium. Then there ya go with the price still going up up up.....

Yea I agree that is a huge part of the cost, That being said though, with a dog GPU what good is it?

garrett former MSI engineer said there is no way to bin these before they strap them on the cards so luck of the draw....

Garrett Wu? Where did he go? Is Asus trying to corner the market on engineers?

That sucks.......... luck of the draw on a card costing $ 100.00 more than reference is hard to swallow for me

But I guess the drive for gold compells enough people to buy enough of them for MSI to keep offering them up ....

<<<<one of the suckrs. But i learn from my mistakes...most of the time. But hell i'm desprate enough for bointage to try anything, Even another Lightning if they come out with one in the 580 flavor. The new bot might change that attitude for me. And it might be a good thing financially..as much as i hate the idea of the new bot revision to come.

Edit: Lets not forget the Ferengi rule of aqusition #62 The riskier the road, the greater the profit.

We all are suckers when it comes down to it. We have all spent the cash for the best of the best one time or another, what gets me on the lightnings is so many of our OCA bretheren got ripped the fuck off on these cards .... I guess that is why it is such a sore spot, but I as well am a gluten for punishment ......... :laughing:

I think I may work towards a SOC 580 when availible .... That is if I can get some freaking work :blush:

Unfortunatly they are the same deal I am sure ..... pot luck :shock:

exclude me from the suckers list...

i enjoyed every hardware i bought and killed and sold...:thumbsup:

i got some csx rams coming:clapping: