Preliminary testing for upcoming build
 

I am going retro on you guys as I have the itch to build something really special

We hve all done builds with water I am sure, tea the temps blow and the performance is sub par for what we typically do around here, but never the less just feel like doing something fun and at the same time create an epic gaming rig

The idea came to me prolly like a year ago when our good friend gave me a heads up that he new of a Coolit Boreas chiller that had become availible. If you have ever tried to find one you know how difficult it is

So enough BS today I hooked it up to see what kind of performance I could exspect and being I have no idea i am not sure if it is good or bad for this unit, but one thing is certain, way better than ambient water from what i can tell
If anyone has any input if this is above or below average for this unit as always any input is appreciated, also could not find a way to flash to the latest firmware ?

here are a few pics of the results at stock clocks

Yep, you are going to like it alot. Ran my 980X @ 5Ghz no problem and you know the heat those produce. I found little difference in performance using an aftermarket water block vs the stock one...entirely up to you. Sent you a link for a store bought usb header cable. ;)

Oh yeah...keep an eye out for condensation on your water block. You will see it first on the tec chambers on the Boreas unit. If you plan on cranking it "down" it might be prudent to do a little masking, eraser, DragonSkin or combination thereof just in case. It only sweats under certain climate conditions.

Cool unit, pardon the pun. :laughing:
It's a self contained, TEC based, AIO liquid setup. Not the most efficient method but still effective. It appears that it's not as effective as my homemade chiller, but it's much more compact and probably easier to set up. Those things went for like $600 in their hayday. Nice find, what did you pay for it?

Would love to see some pic's of your set-up MrScott...Brian and I remember an epic chiller build from another life and another forum lol. :)

yea I would liek to see it as well

$ 500.00 shipped ..... ouch


Rick, I saw Gunners chiller in person, epic performance but a craftsman he is not, it ended up being out of square .......... :laughing:

Being I am OCD, it would drive me up the wall and even offerd to fix it for him :blink:

Oh yea, where is the tool in the software to flash the latest firmware ?


I just got this up and running, there are settings to adjust the chiller to lower or higher temps, my target is to cool 2 or 3 780's and a Hasswell or my X79 set up. may even do MB cooling as well with it, This will actually be inside the case and the adjusability should come in handy as I want to be only one or two degrees above it condensing as it will be my 24/7 rig

Overclocking testing will be next them will be adding rads and resevoirs to see how they effect performance as the final build will need to disapate a lot of heat

Notice chiller A light is not lit ???

It's nothing elaborate. Old water cooler hotwired to full on, thermostat bypassed, with a small pump outputting to a waterblock. Tank is filled with a D-water/dexcool mix. I can get down to roughly -20c, but the recovery time blows. It's good for short blasts only. 32m on a AMD X4 with good voltage to it is a tough go. I'll start out below 0 and by the time it finishes I'm around 25c. Still better than ambient though. ;) Stuff less demanding like Socket A, PIII's, 939, 754, etc. is no big deal most of the time.
It will be replaced soon...........hopefully with Rick's old cascade unit. :D

Quick old pic.

Looks pretty epic Scott, nice mod bro ........... :thumbsup:

Wow those max temps seem pretty high. What setting did you have it on, just cranked it down to 10C coolant target and it runs 0C to 5 C idol but on linux load only 1C drop from above loaded pic

Oh, that's high tech stuff there Scott! My efforts were much more barbaric lol...like a milk jug of frozen water or my homemade slush bucket I used to feed from the ice maker at work every night haha.

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...9/DSC00059.jpg

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I know nothing of linux...try some WPrime and see what it does. I can't imagine mine being below 100% on purpose at 5Ghz.

Yea I did, same temps as both tax at 100% CPU usage

I will be working on clocks this week, see what happens with temps then :thumbsup:

Once I get it clocked up them I can start testing with rads and see what effect it has on temps, if it does not nee any may need to look at a different case as the one I have my eye on has a total capacity 120.22 .......... :laughing:

Have an e-mail into Caselabs to see how wide the HD Power supply side s as i need 6 3/4" to accomidate this unit

Lubbin it.

:D more threads like this please :D

I still have the Silverstone case modified by Coolit for the Boreas that has not seen use for some time... ;)

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...9/DSC00384.jpg

That's a dam nice case ......... :thumbsup:

E-mailed Caselabs for PS bay dementions, shuold have an answer back tonight

Looking at 38MM Yate Loon lowspeed fans as the provide a tremendouse amount static pressures and 45 CFM and are resonabky priced for the replacments on the boken one on the unit, replacing both as I do not know how critical it is for them to be matched

Thanks to UPS

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=25284

I have some 38 mm 130CFM Y & S fans but they are like a jet taking off ...

Tryed ramping it up to 5GHz tonight, got it to boot int the OS. but was not able to get it stable enough to do any real load test. Here are the idol results at 4988 MHz

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1358988166

Temps look good but as soon as I put load on it it shoots into the 70s and then crashes. need to work on stabelizing this, it takes a complete different set of settings than sub ambient ..... :ohcrap:

Think most of my problems lie in Chiiler A not working, Have the right cable coming from Newegg if DHL ever finds my house, there was a time when Newegg was actually intrested in customer service. Anyway I am not so sure I am in controll if the unit with the half assed rigging i did. Once I have the cable I am hoping to be abel to flash the newer firmware on it. From what I have read this solves many issues. Once I get both chillers on the job hoping for a better result.

Grabbed a case and some fans last night so I am officially broke now

Went with the TH10 From Case Labs that I may or may not do a quick review on.

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1358989001

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1358989001

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1358989001

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1358989020

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1358989001


http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1358989020

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1358989375

Pretty cool, the MB tray has feet you can attatch for a quick and easy tech station

This is the last case I am buying, it will be willed to my son .......... :laughing:

Grabbed some fans as well

For the rads

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835181025

For the case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233100

Now if I can just get this dam cabel and get the unit working up to potencial I could move on with this testing ..........

Crosses fingers for 5ghz wire from DHL.

Delid it :laughing:

Looky what I found.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=35714

Think I will call and make an offer of $500 shipping included. ;)

Temps look good but as soon as I put load on it it shoots into the 70s and then crashes. need to work on stabelizing this,


I think you have a bad mount.

I will re set it, but being stock clocks scale with temp I am thinking that second chiller stage will hopefully be the answer

Try rotating your waterblock mount 90 degrees.

Well it looks like I had a good mount, but remounted after a quarter turn. Cable arrived today, DHL official blows .... turns out they got it and mailed it via USPS :Dizzy:

So it went from UPS then to DHL then to the USPS ..... thinking I should send it to fedX so everyone gets to handel it .............. WTF ...

Just plugged it in and it seems to be working, Updating firmware in hope to fire up Chiller A. This should in therory double my capacity. I have read this is a total PITA to get to take, but it seems to be but not finished yet ....... one dot at a time, pain and suffering. If it and when it does take I will be able to move on to testing again.... fingers crossed

Thing is condensing like crazy, first I have seen this, Hope this is a good sign :thumbsup:

Edit:

Firmware updated ok

Still do not know if both chillers are working as the chiller A light is still off while B stays lit ???? Anybody know what the skinny is

5Ghz did not prove to be possible within reasonable voltage for the cooling solution

Here are a couple of screen shots that show this unit has limited capacity

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1359501537

Things start to heat up a bit at 1.384 core and 4.789 GHz
At these setting the condisation problem has been elimiated :laughing:

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1359501537

This is where if the unit is utilizing both chillers A & B it gets a bit alarming and may be 5 Ghz is beyond its capabilities. at just a 100 mhz increase and a .024 core increase I get a rise in max temp by 6C.... Notice the the Coolit Graph is gone as framework took a dump during the run but did not crash the system. Have to say I am a bit disapointed with the results thus far. I am hopefull that I am doing something wrong and the second chiller is not on or adding a res better pump and a rad will help solidify the swings on this as they are wicked, note above post at 4.988 idol temps. I think increasing water and volume will hurt the idol temps but infact help stablize and lower loads temps, but we will see soon enough. Time for dinner :thumbsup:

Something is amiss buddy...you know darn well if I could run the 980X at over 5GHz with the Boreas it is more than possible with your hardware. Let me see if I can dig up some screenshots.

114.9c reading is just wacky...you should never see anything remotely close to that. Change your settings:

Coolant Target Temp - 0

Max Chiller power - 100

Min Chiller power - 100

Max allowed - 0

Min allowed - 0

Can't seem to locate all my screenshots. You remember that Coolit contest I won with the 980X in the SFF case running at 5GHz ? All you guys popped in and voted for me lol. I know I ran a bunch of benches at 5GHz on that crappy Micro board and never had a problem with temps. Surely your current chip is more capable than the 980X. I'll keep searching for screens...also, close out that crap Coolit graph and rely on RealTemp. Your temps look great from what I have seen.

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The same funky chip I won the SPI contest with lol! :taunt:

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Yea somthing seems wrong, does both your A & B chiller lights on, or just one like mine? I have no way of knowing ? Would like to get this sorted before i start introducing other components so I can get a true comparison. M-tech software is a bit flaky on Win 7 ....... :ohcrap: for these clocks High 60's seem kinda ordinary, does anyone know where ambient water is at these clocks and voltages ? it been so long kinda out of touch with what to expect ???

I'll check my temps when I get home ran 4.9Ghz @ 1.4v for a while forgot I even had it oced :laughing:

But this is my delidded cpu on water not sure of its still a good comparison XD

Awsome, better than nutin ........... :thumbsup:

This CPU does 5 Ghz at 1.285 at -50C

Ambient it just bites, need lots of volts ...... :shock:

Yes, your temps seem very normal to me. Change those settings and run WPrime again for a comparison. I'll try to rig something similar up here to attempt to answer some of your questions.

Screen from awhile back...I don't think I had both A and B joined and I'm sure the Boreas was not performing as well as yours is atm. Look where the temps began on mine...

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...at144volts.jpg

Keep in mind that the Boreas is nothing more than a decked out water cooling solution...it aint God lol. You can't run much of anything at 5GHz steady diet and expect it to fare well for long....even with a ss. I think you can do 5GHz easily with the Boreas when you want or for bragging rights, but I would save another tamer profile in bios for daily duty. ;)

Wow that is a huge help Rick, yea I was thinking this would do 5Ghz in the 50's or low 60's

Looks like I was over estimating a bit. I appreciate you taking the time bro, I will rerun at the new settings when I get home form work tonight. If Dom can chime in with ambient water that will really start to tell the story of how effective this is at these clocks.

Don't plan on benching this unit competetivly, what my goal with this build is flat out top 24/7 bullet proof clocks.
Just want to build something over the top that is a complete waste of money and resources just for the fun of it. ............... :laughing:

okay im back from running after work :shock:


D5 pump, 480 Rad, 7970 full wb, enzotech wb, t-line

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1359553197

That's awsome Dom .............. :thumbsup:

Thanke bro

Ambient temp ?

Ambient water 1.408v 4899Mhz (75) (83) (85) (78)

Ambient temp = 21C

Cool it Boreas 1.408v 4889MHZ (67) (69) (67) (58)

So on average across all 4 cores we are looking at 80.25C on ambient water and 65.25 on the Cool it

15C better, that is actually not to shabby :)

that is only $ 33.33 a degree based on what I pad for it, worth every penny .... :thumbsup:

This is promising to say the least. What will better blocks and pumps do, Possibly a rad,can it get me the 5 to 10 degrees I was hoping for as my origional thought going into procees saw me getting 20C better than ambient water, this may be acheivable after all.
I will test tonight with the setting Rick gave me and see if I can improve the staock results before tearing it down and adding componets

Jesus that's nice, on "high end" water, similar ambient temps, I'm seeing peak temps touch 88F on my 3770K. 4C/4T at 4.6 and 1.3V

Cooling loop consists of a Swifty MCP-355 with Acetal top, 2x MCR320's and an EK Supreme LTX, 6x low speed yate loons.

My bet is you will see more improvement once those settings are applied. :good:

Wow that seems high at those voltages, great block and pump, has to be the rad preformance. High speed fans or move to a rad around 7 to 8 FPI

Coolgate has a nice product that is not the best at anything but actally performs well under many different fan speeds and at 8FPI the low speed one's work really well

Either that or the pump may have lost a step ....


Hope your right Rick, will know in a few hours ............. :thumbsup:

70F Ambient

I already know what it is capable of as far as the cpu goes. I'm more interested in what it might do for gpu's...never tested it in that fashion. ;)

Set the Boreas to these settings

Coolant Target Temp - 0
Max Chiller power - 100
Min Chiller power - 100
Max allowed - 0
Min allowed - 0


Ambient temp 21.1C

Ambient water 1.408v 4899Mhz (75) (83) (85) (78) = 80.25C

Ambient temp = 21C

Cool it Boreas on stock settings 1.408v 4889MHZ (67) (69) (67) (58) = 65.25C

The following tests are with new Boreas settings above

Ambient temp = 20.5C

Cool it Boreas Stock fans 1.408v 4889MHZ (64) (67) (65) (56) = 63C
The settings Rick provided are win as temps across all cores dropped overall dropped 2.25C with only .5C difference in test conditions for an overall gain of 1.75C

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1359586390


http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1359586390

Now it is on to seeing what is the best possible fan to use with this unit

Ambient temp = 21C

Cool it Boreas Y&S 138 CFM cut your finger off fans 1.408v 4889MHZ (65) (68) (65) (57) = 63.75C

As you can see not much gain here other than decibals. Even know ambient went up .5C three of the cores gained a full degree, probably within the margin of error for Realtemp so I have to call this a tie

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1359586914



http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1359586914


Ambient temp = 21C

Cool it Boreas Y.L. 38MM low speed 49CFM fans 1.408v 4889MHZ (67) (70) (68) (65) = 65.75C

Here are the Y.L. 38mm low speed fans. some significant temp gains here 2.75 average that with the testing condition being .5C higher still ends up being a gain of 2.25C, but wait a minute, were they running, I don't know as all I could here was the stock POS pump that they obviously did not spend any extra money on.... :laughing:
Seriously though unaudable .... (((side note, Does anyone know that static pressure of these fans ? Yate Loon D12SL-D12 , if over 1.3 mm/H2O I mat go with these for my rads on this build)))
On point again I may live with this increase as both the stock and high speed fan are obtrusivly loud and with a good pump this system would be undetectable .... stealthin FTW :thumbsup:

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1359587658


http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1359587658

To sum up tonights testing I would say Cool it has found a sweet spot with the fans as higher speed fans don't help and low speed fans loose ground. Have to think on if it worth it for silence ....

Also Rick's settings for the Boreas are WIN .................. :thumbsup:

And last but not least the pump that comes with it is loud and it rattels but never noticed until the Yates Loon fans were on it ........ :laughing:

sweeet

NICE :thumbsup: WD :clapping: