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Chuchnit 06-13-2009 08:49 AM

Megahalem is Here!
 
Yep the usps was kind enough to knock on my door with a little Saturday surprise. Now I just gotta finish some stuff up around the house so I can install it. It is huge so I sure hope it does better than my stupid Zalman 9700 :argh:


First Look

Jeffro64 06-13-2009 08:50 AM

You got one! Did you get fans for it?

Chuchnit 06-13-2009 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffro64 (Post 4572)
You got one! Did you get fans for it?

Yep. Right now I just have a single 75cfm "Kaze Flex" made by Scythe. I'm gonna order some 38mm clips and a panaflo to do a comparison. Frank and I have a little disagreement so we are gonna find out who'd right. :D

Jeffro64 06-13-2009 09:02 AM

TBH... I had 2 panaflows in PP and it was only a few degrees C less than the stock cooler that came with my chip. And my Megahalem is lapped. It is a nice cooler but I expected more from it after reading reviews on it.

Chuchnit 06-13-2009 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffro64 (Post 4577)
TBH... I had 2 panaflows in PP and it was only a few degrees C less than the stock cooler that came with my chip. And my Megahalem is lapped. It is a nice cooler but I expected more from it after reading reviews on it.

Well a couple weeks ago I found every review I could of the top aircoolers. Alot of review sites are either biased or just have shitty testing methods. The megahalem honestly doesn't shine until the heatload is increased. It will perform about the same as most coolers for "normal" use. It's when you really add the vcore, or put an i7 under it that it truly shines. Try the stock cooler on your 920 and then put the megahalem on there. You'll see what I saw in the reviews.

Kal-EL 06-13-2009 09:13 AM

Kool man, Thor's Hammer is almost here too.

Chuchnit 06-13-2009 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal-EL (Post 4586)
Kool man, Thor's Hammer is almost here too.

I'll take Thor's hammer and shove it up his arse :p

Jeffro64 06-13-2009 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuchnit (Post 4580)
Well a couple weeks ago I found every review I could of the top aircoolers. Alot of review sites are either biased or just have shitty testing methods. The megahalem honestly doesn't shine until the heatload is increased. It will perform about the same as most coolers for "normal" use. It's when you really add the vcore, or put an i7 under it that it truly shines. Try the stock cooler on your 920 and then put the megahalem on there. You'll see what I saw in the reviews.

Yeah... I plan on starting with air again so I will give that a try. I don't plan on lapping my 920 so I hope it is pretty flat to start with.

Kal-EL 06-13-2009 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuchnit (Post 4588)
I'll take Thor's hammer and shove it up his arse :p

What is ur fixation with anus????? :confused::confused::confused::confused:

It'll be a first hand account of how the Thor's Hammer runs dippidy poo dah man! Welcome it no matter what ur little review friends say.

punx223 06-13-2009 10:29 AM

the cooler will not greatly benefit from high CFM but more from static pressure from what I have seen, Try getting a good 38mm fan and make sure its mid-low speed, and i bet youlle get the results your looking for

Chuchnit 06-13-2009 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffro64 (Post 4593)
Yeah... I plan on starting with air again so I will give that a try. I don't plan on lapping my 920 so I hope it is pretty flat to start with.

Yah I wouldn't lap it either. Here is a new review of Zalman's version of the TRUE knockoff. Take a look at the first and second chart. It shows exatcly what I was talking about. The more heatload you start adding, the more the megahalems opens the gap.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=227043

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal-EL (Post 4594)
What is ur fixation with anus????? :confused::confused::confused::confused:

It'll be a first hand account of how the Thor's Hammer runs dippidy poo dah man! Welcome it no matter what ur little review friends say.

Actually buddy I thought about getting that cooler too. I think it looks pretty nice and will get the job done. Honestly idk why I got the megahalem. I was almost talked into and wanted a scythe mugen 2 also. Megahalem was just one of those things I "had to have" I guess. G/L with your cooler and I will be awaiting the results.


Quote:

Originally Posted by punx223 (Post 4607)
the cooler will not greatly benefit from high CFM but more from static pressure from what I have seen, Try getting a good 38mm fan and make sure its mid-low speed, and i bet youlle get the results your looking for

Thats exactly the reason why I am gonna order a panaflo 38mm fan. I have agreed unless I change my mind to get the 68cfm variant for testing. I know static pressure is very important, but my arguement is that it won't cool any better than my 75cfm scythe due to the lack of cfm. I was gonna order the 88cfm version. I still might, but I gotta order the medium speed one first to see who is right.

hellcamino 06-13-2009 10:45 AM

I can't believe you bought that thing, I hope you like it! For max testing purposes you should get the Panaflo ultra quiet and a Mugen II, once you figure out that the megahalem is a disappointment you can switch to the Mugen II immediately.

Kal-EL 06-13-2009 10:47 AM

I remember why i picked up teh Thor now, it has teh mount for LGA755 and 1366. It's gonna make it easier to test fire mobo's. Thats teh main goal.

Jeffro64 06-13-2009 10:53 AM

Looks like the Mugen II will also.... I might have to give that one a try, looks impressive anyways. :D

Chuchnit 06-13-2009 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellcamino (Post 4613)
I can't believe you bought that thing, I hope you like it! For max testing purposes you should get the Panaflo ultra quiet and a Mugen II, once you figure out that the megahalem is a disappointment you can switch to the Mugen II immediately.

Umm I'm sorry, but please link me to a respected site that has the mugen beating the TRUE or Megahalem. The mugen II is a super cooler and is much much cheaper in price. That don't mean its all out better. It is known and has been known that the TRUE is the one to rule them all. Well I won't go as far as to say that the Megahalem outright beats the TRUE because they are actually about equal in my book. Before you say it, yes the Mugen II is right there within 1-2.5c of both the other coolers. Plus just like the TRUE and Megahalems it gets better with a higher heatload. I wouldn't go tooting my horn that the Megahalem is crap or a disapointment though. It was stated by Jeffro that the mount for AM3 sucked and had to be modded to even work. Thats far from making it suck on intel sockets for which it was only intended for. :rolleyes:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal-EL (Post 4614)
I remember why i picked up teh Thor now, it has teh mount for LGA755 and 1366. It's gonna make it easier to test fire mobo's. Thats teh main goal.

hahaha most top coolers do now. Isn't the Thor supposed to have a really nice mounting mechanism though?

punx223 06-13-2009 11:06 AM

better question if your looking for something for general testing and stuff why didnt you go with a true?

Kal-EL 06-13-2009 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuchnit (Post 4623)
Umm I'm sorry, but please link me to a respected site that has the mugen beating the TRUE or Megahalem. The mugen II is a super cooler and is much much cheaper in price. That don't mean its all out better. It is known and has been known that the TRUE is the one to rule them all. Well I won't go as far as to say that the Megahalem outright beats the TRUE because they are actually about equal in my book. Before you say it, yes the Mugen II is right there within 1-2.5c of both the other coolers. Plus just like the TRUE and Megahalems it gets better with a higher heatload. I wouldn't go tooting my horn that the Megahalem is crap or a disapointment though. It was stated by Jeffro that the mount for AM3 sucked and had to be modded to even work. Thats far from making it suck on intel sockets for which it was only intended for. :rolleyes:




hahaha most top coolers do now. Isn't the Thor supposed to have a really nice mounting mechanism though?

Honestly? I dunno, it looks like a waterblock wrench down system which works for me. Its not for an everyday clocker rig, none of our toys are. If it were a 24/7 system I'd prolly go with the TRUE. But its a bench tester and if I wanna brag "air" rights, I'll put a leaf blower on it or rig up some sub-zero air conditioning to it.

Jeffro64 06-13-2009 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal-EL (Post 4628)
Honestly? I dunno, it looks like a waterblock wrench down system which works for me. Its not for an everyday clocker rig, none of our toys are. If it were a 24/7 system I'd prolly go with the TRUE. But its a bench tester and if I wanna brag "air" rights, I'll put a leaf blower on it or rig up some sub-zero air conditioning to it.

LMFAO!!!!!:trophy::trophy::trophy:

hellcamino 06-13-2009 11:25 AM

Chucky! Stuff that thing full of cotton before you bleed out! You know I don't respect any review site really and you know why.

SteveO said he thought the Mugen was a clear winner and has been using them since I showed them to him a few months ago. My personal experience with Scythe is very good, it's so good that I would recommend them on name alone! SteveO started with the TRUE if you remember...


Prove me wrong! Don't believe me! Just remember that I have your best interests at heart here.

Kal-EL 06-13-2009 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellcamino (Post 4649)
Chucky! Stuff that thing full of cotton before you bleed out! You know I don't respect any review site really and you know why.

SteveO said he thought the Mugen was a clear winner and has been using them since I showed them to him a few months ago. My personal experience with Scythe is very good, it's so good that I would recommend them on name alone! SteveO started with the TRUE if you remember...


Prove me wrong! Don't believe me! Just remember that I have your best interests at heart here.

"Overclockaholics"....................... Protecting overclocker's interests one thread at a time :cool:

Chuchnit 06-13-2009 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by punx223 (Post 4627)
better question if your looking for something for general testing and stuff why didnt you go with a true?

Cause I'm just trying to see who's right about fans. I don't have the funds to go buy a bunch of coolers to test.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellcamino (Post 4649)
Chucky! Stuff that thing full of cotton before you bleed out! You know I don't respect any review site really and you know why.

Well first I'm not butthurt about anything :p I'm just responding to your statement. I know you don't like review sites and neither do I when it comes to VGA reviews. However, without buying 10 or 12 of the top coolers and testing myself, I have no choice but to base my aircooling decisions off of the review sites. What I did was spend about 5 hours reading every current aircooler review I could. That included personal user test which were usually between the TRUE and Megahalem. I had to weed what I thought were shitty reviews, and kind of average out the results from the rest.

SteveO said he thought the Mugen was a clear winner and has been using them since I showed them to him a few months ago. My personal experience with Scythe is very good, it's so good that I would recommend them on name alone! SteveO started with the TRUE if you remember...

That may be true, but being the uber "gotta test to know" kinda guy you are, you know there are waay to many variables to call that a test. That's my whole point. Steve doesn't have the same componets, nor the same ambients, or probably the same fans; etc. You know that's a no no to base your opinion off of. If this was a waterblock review, you would be tearing your post apart :D The ONLY reason I didn't get a TRUE is for two reasons: 1st, The mounting was touted as way better with the Megahalem. 2nd, The TRUE is notoriously known for needing lapping. I don't really feel like dealing with that unless I want to; not need to.


Prove me wrong! Don't believe me! Just remember that I have your best interests at heart here.

The ball is in your court to do the proving :cool: You made the statement about it sucking. I'm not buying 3 or 4 coolers to compare, and I'm definitely not going to waiste my time on the internet again to show you all the test. You wouldn't believe those anyways, right? :rolleyes:


hellcamino 06-13-2009 01:11 PM

Well, SteveO is using a few of them and using them over the TRUE he still owns. Remember that I still build many pc's for other people and the vast majority are air-cooled, most of the coolers on the market don't impress me much either! I can vouch for the Xigmatech being less than stated. It works real well as long as you don't mind your cpu idling at 50c on a quad.

The reference to a TRUE...I wouldn't use one if given to me as the QC on them is awful at best. The need to lap a new heatsink is bs.

When I do give you any kind of advice John I do it sincerely and drawing on the hundreds of pc's that I have built in the last 3-4 years. Almost all were overclocked and only one that wasn't mine was water cooled. Let me know how the front ram slots work out for you with that megahalem btw =P

Have I done any official comparison testing? No. What I have done is a lot of hands on work with machines and gotten to know pretty well what works and what doesn't and what foibles certain piles of parts may have. I think on a quad you will find that the megahalem is better than stock but not by tons, on a dual core it should work fairly well...About on par with a Zalman.

Kal-EL 06-13-2009 01:30 PM

I installed the stock Intel QX9650 Fan h/s on Rogue210's starter rig with a 65nm QX6700. For the first two days @ stock speeds, idle temps were in the 50's. I left it on as I worked on the rest of the pc lighting, os configuration, proggie installs etc. Today its running at a coool 32c idle after being on for about 4 hours.

Seems like that pre-applied guck that intel puts on their h/s takes a bit of time to break in. sign2

hellcamino 06-13-2009 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal-EL (Post 4667)
I installed the stock Intel QX9650 Fan h/s on Rogue210's starter rig with a 65nm QX6700. For the first two days @ stock speeds, idle temps were in the 50's. I left it on as I worked on the rest of the pc lighting, os configuration, proggie installs etc. Today its running at a coool 32c idle after being on for about 4 hours.

Seems like that pre-applied guck that intel puts on their h/s takes a bit of time to break in. sign2

I've noticed that too. Wait till you see the stock cooler for i7, it's about 2.5x the size of a 775 quad cooler. The paste they use on the stock coolers is supposedely impossible to get entirely off the chip without lapping (no clue on that one) but the stock coolers do benefit from almost any aftermarket TIM.

Chuchnit 06-13-2009 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellcamino (Post 4663)
Well, SteveO is using a few of them and using them over the TRUE he still owns. Remember that I still build many pc's for other people and the vast majority are air-cooled, most of the coolers on the market don't impress me much either! I can vouch for the Xigmatech being less than stated. It works real well as long as you don't mind your cpu idling at 50c on a quad.

The reference to a TRUE...I wouldn't use one if given to me as the QC on them is awful at best. The need to lap a new heatsink is bs.

When I do give you any kind of advice John I do it sincerely and drawing on the hundreds of pc's that I have built in the last 3-4 years. Almost all were overclocked and only one that wasn't mine was water cooled. Let me know how the front ram slots work out for you with that megahalem btw =P

Have I done any official comparison testing? No. What I have done is a lot of hands on work with machines and gotten to know pretty well what works and what doesn't and what foibles certain piles of parts may have. I think on a quad you will find that the megahalem is better than stock but not by tons, on a dual core it should work fairly well...About on par with a Zalman.


Reserving this post to either prove you wrong or show that you need to mount your aircoolers better :p

Here is a little teaser until I finish my compilation of reviews, links and screenies of real users with lower temps than you state. Especially idle temps :rofl

http://blog.daum.net/dsjjang8/8907284

Notice to all viewers: Hellcamino and I are good friends. This is not personal, but rather a little competition of who is right. Don't take this as a flame war cause all is good in msn chat :p:rofl

hellcamino 06-13-2009 03:21 PM

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coo...2_8.html#sect0


Note the fan speeds here as well.
http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...7-coolers.html


Here is the best and largest review I can find, I barely even glanced at the results figuring this might be a good time to put this topic to bed and consider Chucky pwnt =P
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/347...b916a5ffed.png



btw I only like Chucky because he gives such great helmet!








Just kidding there are other reasons I like Chuchnit!

Chuchnit 06-13-2009 03:34 PM

k buddy. You can't declare yourself the winner because you posted three links. Two of which are the same review and the third is pointless since it gives you no details as to testing methods or anything. I'll bbl to update my one post bud. I'll see you your three links and raise you many showing Megahalems and TRUE pretty much at a tie. Scythe Mugen 2 equal in some test/fan speeds and lacking (barely) in other portions.

Honestly they are all nice coolers. Problem is even with the test you linked, the megahalem "once you figure out that the megahalem is a disappointment you can switch to the Mugen II immediately." That statement is totally wrong. You just made yourself eat your own words there Franky. Honestly my work is done now cause you did it for me. Now since you continued to insert foot in mouth, I'll make you eat your "Quad = 50c idle on air" statement.

FWIW, I never said the Mugen is a bad cooler. I've told you that on the phone. I just didn't want it. Plus the Megahalem IS by all accounts in the top 2 for coolers once you take out the retarded IFX-4. I wouldn't protest putting the Mugen 2 in there either. Oh, and this don't even matter because they came out with a revision of your old cooler :D

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=25671

hellcamino 06-13-2009 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuchnit (Post 4690)
I'll make you eat your "Quad = 50c idle on air" statement.


Quote:

Originally Posted by hellcamino (Post 4663)
I can vouch for the Xigmatech being less than stated. It works real well as long as you don't mind your cpu idling at 50c on a quad.

Five mounts on one cooler, don't buy one as it really disappointed the crap out of me. Notice that Chucky doesn't deny the ability to give GREAT helmet! The fact that that Megahalem costs 40% more than the Mugen only to get beat by it in the majority of tests is pretty grim man, I would be defensive too.

btw that is pretty cool that they are bringing back an old favorite although mine was the infinity model.

Chuchnit 06-13-2009 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellcamino (Post 4692)
Five mounts on one cooler, don't buy one as it really disappointed the crap out of me. Notice that Chucky doesn't deny the ability to give GREAT helmet! The fact that that Megahalem costs 40% more than the Mugen only to get beat by it in the majority of tests is pretty grim man, I would be defensive too.

btw that is pretty cool that they are bringing back an old favorite although mine was the infinity model.

Dude when I get the time I am gonna show you that you once again are still wrong and inable to admit defeat. The mugen DOES NOT win in the majority of test! Now if I remember correctly, the Mugen II does better than the Megahalem and TRUE at lower fan speeds. I could be wrong but I don't remember because I was mainly paying attn to the top coolers in all test :p Fan speed isn't part of this arguement :cool:

I will totally agree that the Mugen is the best bang for the buck air cooler and there is NO arguement to be had there. Be patient padawan, I'll pwn you laterz.

Russianhaxor 06-13-2009 06:43 PM

I am disappointed by the lack of pictures in this thread.

Kal-EL 06-13-2009 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russianhaxor (Post 4703)
I am disappointed by the lack of pictures in this thread.

Thats exactly what I told chuckos in the msn earlier today. Lamer says "Oh I was gonna post up real life ones when it gets installed" Pfft! Cummon, get wit the proggie. :mad:

Chuchnit 06-13-2009 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russianhaxor (Post 4703)
I am disappointed by the lack of pictures in this thread.

STFU I'm working on it :p I don't have anything prepared for a personal "review" so it don't matter. I did however make sure to take some pics when I was putting this pig back together tonight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal-EL (Post 4705)
Thats exactly what I told chuckos in the msn earlier today. Lamer says "Oh I was gonna post up real life ones when it gets installed" Pfft! Cummon, get wit the proggie. :mad:

Pics will be loaded tomorrow afternoon. ;)

Chuchnit 06-13-2009 09:33 PM

Sorry Franky
 
Let the pictures speak for themselves. I was going to bed, but I couldn't resist :rofl sign12

Scythe Mugen2 stock fan vs TRUE 1366 stock fan
Intel Core I7 @ 3700MHz (1.336v)
Room temp 25c


http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5...tockfandv4.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5...tockfandv4.jpg


Scythe Mugen2 120x120x38 @ 102CFM vs TRUE 1366 120x120x38 @ 102CFM
Intel Core I7 @ 3700MHz (1.336v)
Room temp 25c

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/3...2cfmfannp6.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5...2cfmfanxg2.jpg


Scythe Mugen2 120x120x38 @ 102CFM vs TRUE 1366 120x120x38 @ 102CFM
Intel Core I7 @ 3700MHz (1.272v)
Room temp 25c

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/9560/127vcorems2.jpg

Keep in mind TRUE=Megahalem; Megahalem=TRUE

Source

punx223 06-13-2009 10:09 PM

megahalem = true? i guess i better take a look at this thing then

God i havent air cooled in so long i may be lost lol

Russianhaxor 06-14-2009 12:17 AM

:lameass:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2003/...3315b0.jpg?v=0

hellcamino 06-14-2009 02:10 AM

So you managed to come up with one review showing the megahalem to be a winner huh? I find it impressive that this is the only mention I have ever seen of a TRUE having a stock fan!

http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_pa...50aHVzaWFzdA==

Myth BUSTED!

Chuchnit 06-14-2009 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by punx223 (Post 4724)
megahalem = true? i guess i better take a look at this thing then

God i havent air cooled in so long i may be lost lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellcamino (Post 4729)
So you managed to come up with one review showing the megahalem to be a winner huh? I find it impressive that this is the only mention I have ever seen of a TRUE having a stock fan!

http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_pa...50aHVzaWFzdA==

Myth BUSTED!

The RT model of the TRUE w/ stock fan has been out since pretty much the launch of i7. I just happened to stumble accross this review before I went to bed.

Here ya go buddy.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/84...?tl=c14s757b34

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24727

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thulex13rt.html

etc. Now have you seen it?

Chuchnit 06-14-2009 07:55 AM

Unboxing...
 
5 Attachment(s)
Jewish are you happy now? :p


Here it is in the box..

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1245001631


It is silver....

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1245001681


I bought a fan for it....

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1245001716


It comes with stuff to use it...


http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1245001762

http://www.overclockaholics.com/foru...1&d=1245001789

DrNip 06-14-2009 08:18 AM

I do like the mounting setup way better on this than the crap of a mounting system they have for the TRUE.

Chuchnit 06-14-2009 08:22 AM

Ya I forgot to put the actual mounting brackets in the picture.


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