[Splave]

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=657

Long story short, our good buddy jor gets basted for writing he used his own checkbook to dominate wprime x2.

I guess those sponsored guys really get butt hurt when you talk about it?

anyways again, amazing job jor on crushing wprime dont play to their level

[HITandRUN]

Originally Posted by Splave

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=657

Long story short, our good buddy jor gets basted for writing he used his own checkbook to dominate wprime x2.

I guess those sponsored guys really get butt hurt when you talk about it?

anyways again, amazing job jor on crushing wprime dont play to their level

Ohh boy! They will hang you on a cross over there for your post. I fully agree with you. They get all this shit for free and than they whine about the LN2 they have to buy. What a joke. Once again I could not agree more with you Splave.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by HITandRUN

Ohh boy! They will hang you on a cross over there for your post. I fully agree with you. They get all this shit for free and than they whine about the LN2 they have to buy. What a joke. Once again I could not agree more with you Splave.

Yeah felt like poking massman on that one.. because us guys that are not sponsored with free mobos and CPUs, gpus get our LN2 for free.

Ehh screw it... thread might get closed... gotta post.

[Buckeye]

Thats about one of the most shamfull threads I have read.

Its people like Jor, OCA and Kal that make this sport/hobby what is it, not those fools.

[Hondacity]

Originally Posted by Splave

Long story short, our good buddy jor gets basted for writing he used his own checkbook to dominate wprime x2.

I guess those sponsored guys really get butt hurt when you talk about it?

anyways again, amazing job jor on crushing wprime dont play to their level

hahahah i was thinking the same way too.

Jor we back you up man...we empty our pockets too

[RomDominance]

Clarkbar, Brian and Mass need to get over themselves. I really wanted to dogpile in there but I am afraid it will turn into an OCA vs Pure thing. I love these martyrs who say that writing a review is worth a free gulftown, give me a f'n break.
"we have to pay for our ln2"

[karmakazi]

Well for every gulftown they get for free they have to spend HOURS reviewing, testing, writing about what we would consider "crap" hardware (like 1600mhz 8-8-8 ram kits). I see both sides of the coin here and im not taking sides. Do try to see it from their perspective. Yes they get some free hardware, but also yes everyone dumps on them for it. Trust me all the guys in Pure spend tons of their own dough for their hardware. Even vince spends his own cash on some gear.

Does getting some free gear help? Sure, but they have put in years of work to get where they are. They didnt just get intel/company X to throw hardware at them by doing nothing. They all started out where all of us unsponsored people are now. They just got in earlier, and pushed it hard for a long time until they were noticed. And then people dump on them b/c they get some bits for free. Well they also do hella amount of testing beta bios etc for improved efficiency and working out bugs, which ALL of us get the benefits from.

Perhaps some of the responses were a bit caustic, but this is far from the first time people have raised the sponsored/ES/pre release/blah blah blah argument. Im sure theyre just tired of hearing it is all...


Edit: and as I also said over at KPC, great results Jor, I hope you get the 2:8 sorted (try more VTT?).

Edit#2: 90% of the samples these guys get are duds/average also. Brian had to buy a whole slew of 5870 to finally get one that did great clocks. People see the great results and instantly think "golden vga" "handpicked from a tray of cpus" but in most cases that is NOT how it works.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by karmakazi

Does getting some free gear help? Sure, but they have put in years of work to get where they are. They didnt just get intel/company X to throw hardware at them by doing nothing.

Yup. The whole post was true, but I think this is the most important part of it.

Nothing in life is free. You work hard spend a lot of money to get your name respected enough to get the free stuff. (well not always, but usually)

I do not poop on the free stuff getting guys. But I can understand why some do. The important thing is that most of those guys share the knowledge they gained over processing large numbers of chips More important than any "review" they do give. (Let's face it most of them suck at reviews anyway but are great at getting every last bit of performance out of them)

[Chuchnit]

Originally Posted by karmakazi

Well for every gulftown they get for free they have to spend HOURS reviewing, testing, writing about what we would consider "crap" hardware (like 1600mhz 8-8-8 ram kits). I see both sides of the coin here and im not taking sides. Do try to see it from their perspective. Yes they get some free hardware, but also yes everyone dumps on them for it. Trust me all the guys in Pure spend tons of their own dough for their hardware. Even vince spends his own cash on some gear.

Does getting some free gear help? Sure, but they have put in years of work to get where they are. They didnt just get intel/company X to throw hardware at them by doing nothing. They all started out where all of us unsponsored people are now. They just got in earlier, and pushed it hard for a long time until they were noticed. And then people dump on them b/c they get some bits for free. Well they also do hella amount of testing beta bios etc for improved efficiency and working out bugs, which ALL of us get the benefits from.

Perhaps some of the responses were a bit caustic, but this is far from the first time people have raised the sponsored/ES/pre release/blah blah blah argument. Im sure theyre just tired of hearing it is all...


Edit: and as I also said over at KPC, great results Jor, I hope you get the 2:8 sorted (try more VTT?).

Edit#2: 90% of the samples these guys get are duds/average also. Brian had to buy a whole slew of 5870 to finally get one that did great clocks. People see the great results and instantly think "golden vga" "handpicked from a tray of cpus" but in most cases that is NOT how it works.

Karma, the problem is the elitist bastard attitudes that some portray. Everybody knows that the big dogs followed the same route as everyone to get where they are, but its the bullshit "I'm better than everybody, and who are you to question me" attitude that turns me off. I mean there are some generally nice guys in there giving shit about what he chooses to put in his submissions? Gimme a break. You can't defend that sour puss attitude.

I don't care who is sponsered. It's a great thing, but to act like "working" at your hobby/passion is so exhausting and we just don't know how hard it is. *yawn*

Sponsers are great, and I hope to see a few of these guys who bust their balls pick some up one day, but I sure hope they humble themselves and remember where they came from.

[Witchdoctor]

Yea I am sure they paid their dues .... And they are great at this craft. I do nort beleive anyone could argue that point.

But I am sure you understand how frustrating it is to drop 5 bills to 1K and get a POS

Many times we have to suck it up and just do the best we can with a substandard CPU rather than just grabbing a new one. I beleive they go throungh many hunks of crap, but it sure must be nice to be able to throw it over your shoulder and grab another one ....

for me it is what it is and Jor ... Awsome work and it goes go to show every now and then the buyer gets lucky and with skill and a great sample can compete in that arena.

Me I am a poor slob, so I am looking forward to benching my Vmodded 3870 ....... LOL

But IMO both sides have there ups and downs ... such is life

Point taken Karma .... I hope OCA and Pure continue to work together and make each other better each day .....

The future so bright ................................. Gotta wear shades