[Cecil]

PMed Kal about these ideas, interested in what others think.

For the next contest, instead of being speed limited, have a price cap or generation cap.
IE,
Price cap.
Using newegg prices, or launch MSRPs, have a $700 limit of hardware (or whatever price you would pick).

So someone has an E8400, EP45 mobo, 4gb of 1066 ram, and a 9800GT. Newegg prices would be around $450 or so, so they could compete.

Someone with an i7 975, Classified mobo, 285s, etc... Could not, because their stuff would come to over the $700 limit.

This would also open it up more for people with AMD, and have a larger range of people and hardware compeating. Could have a budget competition too of around $300 for AMD X2s or Pentium Ds with 9500GTs or 4650s etc...

Or have a competition by generation. Nothing newer then a certain month of a certain year or something.


Just ideas. Feel free to mix them with anything else you may have in mind for the future.


The problem with speed limitations, is you can easily cheat it with software OCing tools. I made an example by running 32m Pi at 164x20 instead of 160x20, then using TurboV, set it to 160BCLK. See if you can find anything wrong with this screen by the info in it by itself.

[hellcamino]

I like the price limit idea, if anyone bitches than a reciept from a retail store must be shown as proof or a current retail price that falls within restrictions. I vote that cooling components should be included in the price restriction as well.


Good idea Cecil!

[Kal-EL]

New contest ideas are always welcome for consideration.

Cheating will always be an issue not easily resolved. What we're looking for here is a level playing feild. The primary component is trust and honor within these contests. People can cheat a little or they can cheat alot and it will be difficult to detect. We as admin try to ferret out the undesirables and keep a good clean membership. We can't please everyone all the time.

Even with this new idea, you will have the extreme cold people owning people on air. The intent and goals of the low clock challenge is to allow people limited in their cooling hardware to have a chance to compete in something and get better at the particular benchmark. It's not geared towards pro's with extreme cooling at their disposal. Again, its difficult to regulate but we can sure as hell try.

I have my own intentions mapped out for each particular contest and these intentions don't always fall in line with the competitors. But thats the privelege of digging into your own pocket to foster some fever.

Discussion is always healthy tho, so lets discuss.

[hellcamino]

If you looked you would have seen that cooling was to be included in pricetag in my addition, I do however see your point. How about adding a couple of temp monitors into the screenie? Simply say no sub zero cooling and if someone has a score that is too good to be true just shove a boot in where they won't like it!

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by hellcamino

If you looked you would have seen that cooling was to be included in pricetag in my addition, I do however see your point. How about adding a couple of temp monitors into the screenie? Simply say no sub zero cooling and if someone has a score that is too good to be true just shove a boot in where they won't like it!

Well, using newegg as the benchmark for prices would solve any "price" issues. IT does not matter if you paid half or twice the amount. USe newegg prices as a benchmark.

(Still has flaws, as newegg prices change daily, and MIRs would have to be excluded because they do not pertain to everyone)



As for cooling. I am going to try running a duct off a central air vent. Does that mean I have to add 5 or more grand to my price list? lol

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

Well, using newegg as the benchmark for prices would solve any "price" issues. IT does not matter if you paid half or twice the amount. USe newegg prices as a benchmark.

(Still has flaws, as newegg prices change daily, and MIRs would have to be excluded because they do not pertain to everyone)



As for cooling. I am going to try running a duct off a central air vent. Does that mean I have to add 5 or more grand to my price list? lol

Only problem I can see is if running hardware in a "Vintage" class (If one is created) that's old enough for the Egg to no longer have a listing on it.

I'm not saying there coudn't be a way to resolve this but that's a real sticking point if the class is created. Perhaps with these, using the average Fleabay selling price would work - Maybe?

[Cecil]

Originally Posted by Bones

Only problem I can see is if running hardware in a "Vintage" class (If one is created) that's old enough for the Egg to no longer have a listing on it.

I'm not saying there coudn't be a way to resolve this but that's a real sticking point if the class is created. Perhaps with these, using the average Fleabay selling price would work - Maybe?

Was thinking for Vintage stuff, since its sold cheap now anyway, price wouldnt matter. Just anything prior to a certain date in time.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by Bones

Only problem I can see is if running hardware in a "Vintage" class (If one is created) that's old enough for the Egg to no longer have a listing on it.

I'm not saying there coudn't be a way to resolve this but that's a real sticking point if the class is created. Perhaps with these, using the average Fleabay selling price would work - Maybe?

Originally Posted by Cecil

Was thinking for Vintage stuff, since its sold cheap now anyway, price wouldnt matter. Just anything prior to a certain date in time.

Well I would say that depends on "Vintage"

Does EOL count as vintage? I mean 8800s are 9800s are 250s yes? Yeah they are tweaked a little but same basic hardware. Last I saw an 8800 Ultra held or exceeded any 9800 minus the GX2.. (especially at uber high res (which does not matter for benching of course)

And do the old wildcat 4000s count as dual GPU lol

(they had 2 gpus on them..)

If we have a vintage class. Must have a limitation. And gen does not work exactly, because of all this. How about era instead.

Wow, I do not envy you guys that have to come up with rules for this stuff (I overthink everything and would get so fuX0red...)

[Kal-EL]

I did look and it was inconsequential. No need for the wise assitude during the discussion.

Most software temp monitors do not register below 0c and I do not see the feesibility of requiring benchers to take videos demonstrating running benchmarks and probe placements at the same time then uploading videos.

[Cecil]

Just make it for air and water only, and require realtemp be shown with a second one open showing the Tjmax. Anything under 30C wouldnt be air or water.