[HITandRUN]

Originally Posted by Chuchnit

Well if the countries government fails it will be the people living setting up the new system. The problem is those are usually the worst ones. Hitler ring a bell? He was a "savior" for Germany when he first came to power. Hitler is an extreme example and I know that, but people of that character are the ones who try to seize the opportunity for power when the time comes. Look at history excluding the American and French Revolutions. The real hope is for us to start fresh from day one with the ORIGINAL Constitution!! Fill in the blanks as the needs arise with common sense and practical experience.

What you forget about things is the social unrest that ensues after such a thing happens. Country can't borrow any more money. They can't print anymore because its worthless. Hell your meal changes prices before you finish eating. Financial collapse doesn't mean that factories just shut down and there is no more activity in the country. It means that the currency and debt becomes so bad that people suffer. Suffering causes despair. With despair you have social unrest; aka riots.



Sir, that too can come to an abrupt halt!! Printing money comes after the failure of issuing more debt though.

I don't know if the HITLER thing would work these days again! I mean peeps are way more educated these days and I don't think they would go for some propaganda jeez like back in the day but again I might be wrong looking at the noobs I work with which nearly believe anything the tube spits out!

[underdog1425]

Originally Posted by HITandRUN

I don't know if the HITLER thing would work these days again! I mean peeps are way more educated these days and I don't think they would go for some propaganda jeez like back in the day but again I might be wrong looking at the noobs I work with which nearly believe anything the tube spits out!

Same wolf, different sheep. It can still happen. People will listen to whoever shouts the loudest, even if it doesn't seem right at first. Once they're listening, he's already won.

I agree about the economy being like water and gov action doing more harm than good.

[Kal-EL]

In this day and age, there is only one thing that could create the devotion held by that evil fag, religion. The terrorist use it all the time to get regular people to do horrific things.

Combine a depression with a powerful religious speaker and you have yourself an army willing to anything.

[Chuchnit]

Originally Posted by MaadDaawg

When Social Security was started, it was guaranteed that no one would ever pay more than $78 a year into the system.. gone kinda screwy I guess.

I used to think that all the progressive governments that have blessed us with all this entitlement bullshit, like ObamaCare, were sincere. But I got to tell you, watch the Glen Beck show a few times and you'll start thinking differently. He ties it all together with tons of historical data. The "progressives" have been taking us toward socialism since before FDR. they are following a game gook written by Walter Lipman (ya gotta be old to remember him) and they are right on target. The depression that is coming is planned - it will not be by accident.

lmao, I watch Glenn when I get home in time which is hardly ever. I like him and dislike him at the same time. Really I wish he would just change his tone a great deal because that's what makes him look like a loon. Just as anyone from the other side of the isle, I am skeptical of anything he says. It's kinda hard to be skeptical when he has someone on audio, video, or their written words. To be honest with you I didn't bring any of his stuff into the conversation because he is a polarizing figure in America. Granted the progressives can't dispute anything about him on merit. They don't want to address it. They only go for personal attacks and dismiss him as crazy.

There is a very large faction of elite progressives in this country that believe exactly what you say. No doubt because they've said it themselves. That doesn't mean that in *some* of the people's heads who voted for those measure hadn't convinced themselves they were being sincere.

Originally Posted by HITandRUN

I don't know if the HITLER thing would work these days again! I mean peeps are way more educated these days and I don't think they would go for some propaganda jeez like back in the day but again I might be wrong looking at the noobs I work with which nearly believe anything the tube spits out!

Well maybe Hitler was a shitty example. What I was trying to get across is in that situation, the really left wing crazies come out and offer the fix to all problems. That always entails some form of government that follows Karl Marx or worse; pure dictatorship. Obviously both lead to the same place. One just goes ahead and starts you there.

Really though read below. It can happen again. You get people poor, hungry and scared, who knows what they can be convinced of.

Originally Posted by underdog1425

Same wolf, different sheep. It can still happen. People will listen to whoever shouts the loudest, even if it doesn't seem right at first. Once they're listening, he's already won.

I agree about the economy being like water and gov action doing more harm than good.

Originally Posted by Kal-EL

In this day and age, there is only one thing that could create the devotion held by that evil fag, religion. The terrorist use it all the time to get regular people to do horrific things.

Combine a depression with a powerful religious speaker and you have yourself an army willing to anything.

Good points gents.

[FACE]

well, I for one am not worried... One thing I know for sure we will not be force fed:

[Neuromancer]

LMAO FACE.

History is written by the victors. Hitler was loved and feared and hated all at the same time. Many compared Bush to that (and the sacrifice of civil liberties he instituted behind closed doors and SO FAST it made your head spin is a good pointer in that direction)

Everyone thinks it can not happen but it does and with reat frequency and success in most comfortable societies.

[Neuromancer]

Want to point this out first that I am way buzzed...

The star trek or utopian society we all want to see for our future is not attainable. We are human. There may be politics involved (left right I dont give a big shit) I am libertarian so you all suck to me.


6.5 billion people. With out a world war this planet will not survice. Like Hitler was samrt enough to start... start killing people. The Jews were an excuse. IT easy historically they ruin civilizations. Uh who doesn't? in modern society. I think we can be more customized than that though. Lets start with the poor.. lets give them money for a while. then yank it.

All cities will go into chaos.

Riots will happen and yeah some good people will die... but mainly we can send out storm troopers in to just wipe people out. Thats not enough...

Not like its new to the USA. Hell this country was founded on killing people that disagreed with us (as all countries were). IT started with the injuns... is WACO, Ruby Hill or any other of a hundred things different?

The whole Hitler cant happen now thing dopes not fly with me. Corps got smarter and so did govy. WAY smarter. So 'hitler' is alive and well today...

People say we moved from a manufacturing country to a service based industry and it is the next evolution

Only works if the rest of the world needs it.

Consumer only is not a dirty word if you do not understand what that word means. Consumer = you use more than you create. IF it was vica versa it would be a manufacturer. Something the US was until a few decades ago. This country is going to go down. We will become England. Not gone... just nothing important. Only reason they have clout is they tied themselves to us. LOL Irony? We kill them twice?

Sorry homew=y I dont get your whole Ponzi thing. I am sure it is smart and thought out but is a tree in the forest. You are missing the big picture by focusing on hte details.. Like this whole argument.

Hitler is alive and well. He just changed how he acts. And I ain't saying that is a bad thing. 6.5 billion is too many people. WE evolved too quick over the last 200 years.. Like a virus and like all viruses it need to be cleaned. Whether we do it too each other or nature does it...

200 million I think is the perfect global environment on our tech level.;
Of course that means every one produces and consumes...they would be... oh yeah... equal. I dont care sex, race,religion lets just kill 6.3 billion people. WWIII is a good thing and coming soon. Not utopian. You need poor you need rich you need differences.

EDIT: Only reason I focused on Hitler is cuz people said it could not happen in a modern society... huh that was what 70-80 years ago.. in the span of human lifetime it is not far.. and the same shit is going on all over the world right now so how could it not happen now? Cuz fox news or CNN does not cover it?

Don't be sheeple.

I could totally start a like minded people organization and lead it too whatever I want... why would I? Who wants like minded people? Its like all those "minorities" wanting to start gangs.. I mean organizations...

EDIT EDIT:

Talked to my religious family yesterday.

Very funny that the principle of Christianity is... DIE before fighting back. Our govy is founded on it. If an intruder kills you he gets punished, if he does not kill you he does not get caught. If you kill an intruder you go to jail for murder.

But like most Americans they are pissed, at everything. How can you not be> Have you watched an entertainment channel lately? (By entertainment I mean fox/cnn any of those crap get public viewers cahnnels...

You know what is a good news channel? CSPAN

It is a live by minute report of the stupidity of Washington... do I watch it? Hell no. I would rather watch Fox.CNN I love action movies AND fiction.

I will focus on sports... it is a fluke that the patriots won the superbowl after 9/11

[Chuchnit]

lol Rich. I think you are trying to make a good argument, but I can't follow your drunken writing enough to really respond. When you sober up try and make it a little more coherent and we'll debate it. Oh and I got some more points to make to show the similarities and lack of on a traditional ponzi vs. my claim. I just gotta get to where I have time to type it out.

[FACE]

^^ did somebody say "Fonzie"?

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by Chuchnit

lol Rich. I think you are trying to make a good argument, but I can't follow your drunken writing enough to really respond. When you sober up try and make it a little more coherent and we'll debate it. Oh and I got some more points to make to show the similarities and lack of on a traditional ponzi vs. my claim. I just gotta get to where I have time to type it out.

K I will bullet point it for yah


1) War is the answer. The population of the world has increased 50% in my short time on this planet. This growth rate is not sustainable. With advances in medicine and safety features in factories and motor vehicles... The only thing that will kill enough of us off... is us.

2) By making the poor dependent on welfare etc, when that source of income dries up since they a have been so accustomed to it for so long... (combined with an increasing aggressive and unlawful media representations) when it does collapse we will have wars in our cities.

3) Someone earlier said Hitler can't happen today because we are smarter and more aware. Except that is exactly not true and I say the Internet makes us dumber and more easily manipulated. Hitler rose to power only 70-80 years ago? That is not exactly the dark ages. We have not changed much and things are going on all the time that most people are oblivious too.

4) Moving from a production based to a service based society was the next progression. A manufacturing society is successful only as long as someone is there to buy it. Competition from 3rd world countries means our overpriced goods would sit on the docks waiting for a buyer. Instead of selling cars for $25,000 a pop that cost 10-15 grand to build. We will design and sell the plans to build that car (or the factory that makes them) for millions. That is a good thing... (IE All societies are consumer based unless they are 1st stage... Agrarian)

5) I don't understand the Ponzi thing nor global economics. I thought you were getting hung up on something that was clever but ultimately what all govts do. I could be wrong here. Trivializing what our government is doing by comparing it to con artistry is clever but not useful.

6) TV sucks in general for reporting anything even close to news. The only thing that does actual report NEWS. Is CSPAN. Because there is no commentary. they setup a camera in the house or the senate and just let it roll. Agenda is left to the participants not the presenters.

The rest was just repetitive crap Kept harping on the Hitler thing... cuz it can and is happening.