[rickss69]

The more I hear of this the more depressing it becomes. Perhaps if the greater public could read some of this material and the goings on at the bot they would have a better perspective of these manufacturer's...

[DrNip]

I bought everything I have well except my F1EE.

Will someone sponsor me, please.

This is what we got. It ain't perfect but nothing in life is. You don't like it, go game or something!

[rickss69]

Originally Posted by DrNip

I bought everything I have well except my F1EE.

Will someone sponsor me, please.

This is what we got. It ain't perfect but nothing in life is. You don't like it, go game or something!

I can send you some sata and ethernet cables Nip.

Hey! I still game too!

[69_Goat]

I'm a little fuzzy on one aspect of this discussion. Who ownes these ES chips? From my understanding, the manufacturers retain ownership. Can someone clarify this for me? Thanks.

[DrNip]

I get my 295 Friday. I'm wit ya. Lets break somethin!

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by DrNip

I've asked this before but how do you obtain an ES chip? I know you have to apply for one or something like that but what are the qualifications to receive one?

Go to most HW forums and look for CPUs labelled "Extra Spicy"

I thought most of the e8600s on HWbot were ES's. But I will accept other's experience here, and guess they are retails?



The cooling thing interests me most, but the ES thing really makes a lot of sense for not allowing it, the more I read. It breaks HWBot rules. 'Nuff said.

How will that effect cherry review samples?

It won't.

As for sub ambient air and water cooling being a reason for not breaking up the cooling. I would rather compete with chilled air, than LN2 with my modded tuniq tower cooler. Plus pretty much everyone has access to an air conditioner if they want to duct some cold air in to their heatsink.

It would be great if we lived in a perfect world with honorable people competing in this sport. Unfortunately once money starts changing hands, morals seem to go out the window. I for the longest time thought benching a tweaked OS was "impure." Than again I still think that driving a car on a special track to determine it's performance is silly too. If it can not handle my local roads, what do I care?

[3oh6]

Originally Posted by Chuchnit

Now to point out something you mentioned about how you get hardware. This is one of my issues with the bot. Not the benchers but their stupid rules. HARDWARE SHARING!! You just mentioned that you bench your review samples. You don't own them. As a matter of fact, that same video card could be sent to gomeler, madshrimps or another reviewer that has a hwbot team.

this is 100% incorrect, i own everything i review. i receive brand spanking new retail samples and i keep them. i don't send them back. i don't send them on to another reviewer. i keep them and do with them as i please.

i refuse to be a part of a review process that is designed to provide a single sample with multiple reviews. it provides an inaccurate portrait for the general public of what a product is capable of, and i do not participate in this practice. ask Sascha. when he was working at Cell-Shock, this was their practice, does anyone recall me doing an OC Report on Cell-Shock memory...not because they didn't want me to.

i am done discussing any of these issues because my thoughts on the subjects involved are seen in my results. i simply don't talk, bytch, whine, or complain about HWBot rules. i simply employ the methods i have at my disposal to obtain hardware and follow the rules HWBot posts. i speak with my results i post, not my typing. i will however continue to read threads of this nature and correct wrong information as i have up until this point.

[Chuchnit]

Originally Posted by 3oh6

this is 100% incorrect, i own everything i review. i receive brand spanking new retail samples and i keep them. i don't send them back. i don't send them on to another reviewer. i keep them and do with them as i please.

i refuse to be a part of a review process that is designed to provide a single sample with multiple reviews. it provides an inaccurate portrait for the general public of what a product is capable of, and i do not participate in this practice. ask Sascha. when he was working at Cell-Shock, this was their practice, does anyone recall me doing an OC Report on Cell-Shock memory...not because they didn't want me to.

i am done discussing any of these issues because my thoughts on the subjects involved are seen in my results. i simply don't talk, bytch, whine, or complain about HWBot rules. i simply employ the methods i have at my disposal to obtain hardware and follow the rules HWBot posts. i speak with my results i post, not my typing. i will however continue to read threads of this nature and correct wrong information as i have up until this point.

Very respectful actions I stand corrected and will now eat crow

So is you keeping the samples something that comes with the territory, or do you have to purchase the product direct from the manufacturer? BTW, are you gonna be doing one of those killer OC reports on the new and improved dom gt's?

[Cecil]

I dont mind ES chips. Most wont OC as much as some retail anyway. And if they were banned, then you would just hear people complain about cherry chips. ES chips and retail chips are almost the same, they dont make one better then the other on purpose. Thats why they have to test through a bunch of them to find the cherries. Just cause its an ES means nothing.

My D0 is a fairly good chip. My E8500 is the best Ive seen. D0 got 4.8HT with water, and E8500 does 4.2Ghz with stock voltages. Neither are ES, but both are better then some ES chips.

The one thing I think should be in a different catagory is multi CPU systems. People going to work and running wprime on their companies $35k server is rediculous. If you dont buy it, or it does not belong to you, you should not be allowed to test it.

And for cooling, all they have to do is require realtemp be in the screen shot to determin if you are using air/water or extreme. Should seperate them by -+0C. Anything 0C or under is extreme, anything over goes in normal section.

[rickss69]

When Bill Gates adoption papers for me go through daddy will buy me anything I want. I'm gonna kick all yur arses...