[3oh6]

Originally Posted by Chuchnit

Now to point out something you mentioned about how you get hardware. This is one of my issues with the bot. Not the benchers but their stupid rules. HARDWARE SHARING!! You just mentioned that you bench your review samples. You don't own them. As a matter of fact, that same video card could be sent to gomeler, madshrimps or another reviewer that has a hwbot team.

this is 100% incorrect, i own everything i review. i receive brand spanking new retail samples and i keep them. i don't send them back. i don't send them on to another reviewer. i keep them and do with them as i please.

i refuse to be a part of a review process that is designed to provide a single sample with multiple reviews. it provides an inaccurate portrait for the general public of what a product is capable of, and i do not participate in this practice. ask Sascha. when he was working at Cell-Shock, this was their practice, does anyone recall me doing an OC Report on Cell-Shock memory...not because they didn't want me to.

i am done discussing any of these issues because my thoughts on the subjects involved are seen in my results. i simply don't talk, bytch, whine, or complain about HWBot rules. i simply employ the methods i have at my disposal to obtain hardware and follow the rules HWBot posts. i speak with my results i post, not my typing. i will however continue to read threads of this nature and correct wrong information as i have up until this point.

[Chuchnit]

Originally Posted by 3oh6

this is 100% incorrect, i own everything i review. i receive brand spanking new retail samples and i keep them. i don't send them back. i don't send them on to another reviewer. i keep them and do with them as i please.

i refuse to be a part of a review process that is designed to provide a single sample with multiple reviews. it provides an inaccurate portrait for the general public of what a product is capable of, and i do not participate in this practice. ask Sascha. when he was working at Cell-Shock, this was their practice, does anyone recall me doing an OC Report on Cell-Shock memory...not because they didn't want me to.

i am done discussing any of these issues because my thoughts on the subjects involved are seen in my results. i simply don't talk, bytch, whine, or complain about HWBot rules. i simply employ the methods i have at my disposal to obtain hardware and follow the rules HWBot posts. i speak with my results i post, not my typing. i will however continue to read threads of this nature and correct wrong information as i have up until this point.

Very respectful actions I stand corrected and will now eat crow

So is you keeping the samples something that comes with the territory, or do you have to purchase the product direct from the manufacturer? BTW, are you gonna be doing one of those killer OC reports on the new and improved dom gt's?

[Cecil]

I dont mind ES chips. Most wont OC as much as some retail anyway. And if they were banned, then you would just hear people complain about cherry chips. ES chips and retail chips are almost the same, they dont make one better then the other on purpose. Thats why they have to test through a bunch of them to find the cherries. Just cause its an ES means nothing.

My D0 is a fairly good chip. My E8500 is the best Ive seen. D0 got 4.8HT with water, and E8500 does 4.2Ghz with stock voltages. Neither are ES, but both are better then some ES chips.

The one thing I think should be in a different catagory is multi CPU systems. People going to work and running wprime on their companies $35k server is rediculous. If you dont buy it, or it does not belong to you, you should not be allowed to test it.

And for cooling, all they have to do is require realtemp be in the screen shot to determin if you are using air/water or extreme. Should seperate them by -+0C. Anything 0C or under is extreme, anything over goes in normal section.

[rickss69]

When Bill Gates adoption papers for me go through daddy will buy me anything I want. I'm gonna kick all yur arses...

[Splave]

Originally Posted by Cecil

I dont mind ES chips. Most wont OC as much as some retail anyway. And if they were banned, then you would just hear people complain about cherry chips. ES chips and retail chips are almost the same, they dont make one better then the other on purpose. Thats why they have to test through a bunch of them to find the cherries. Just cause its an ES means nothing.

My D0 is a fairly good chip. My E8500 is the best Ive seen. D0 got 4.8HT with water, and E8500 does 4.2Ghz with stock voltages. Neither are ES, but both are better then some ES chips.

The one thing I think should be in a different catagory is multi CPU systems. People going to work and running wprime on their companies $35k server is rediculous. If you dont buy it, or it does not belong to you, you should not be allowed to test it.

And for cooling, all they have to do is require realtemp be in the screen shot to determin if you are using air/water or extreme. Should seperate them by -+0C. Anything 0C or under is extreme, anything over goes in normal section.

ES chips are not owned either though. IMO most ES chips given to the big guns are tested cherries. They then can post on forums how great they clock so everyone gets all excited to go hit the checkout button so they can do the same thing!

no way to validate what cooling is used, you could use phase then set the TJmax in realtemp to make it look like you are sitting at air temps

[Cecil]

Originally Posted by Splave

ES chips are not owned either though. IMO most ES chips given to the big guns are tested cherries. They then can post on forums how great they clock so everyone gets all excited to go hit the checkout button so they can do the same thing!

no way to validate what cooling is used, you could use phase then set the TJmax in realtemp to make it look like you are sitting at air temps

I agree with this, expecially for ram. Corsiar and OCZ sending out cherry sticks when the real ones are no where near as close.

I still think ES chips should be ok, just cause of the cherry retails out there. Just cause you have a cherry chip, doesnt mean it will work out best in the end. The rest of your system has to be up to par, and you have to know what you are doing to get it up there as well.

I see ES chips on ebay all the time, but chances are they are about the same as retail.

[3oh6]

Originally Posted by Chuchnit

Very respectful actions I stand corrected and will now eat crow

So is you keeping the samples something that comes with the territory, or do you have to purchase the product direct from the manufacturer? BTW, are you gonna be doing one of those killer OC reports on the new and improved dom gt's?

i believe that keeping the samples is the norm for the industry of small to mid range sites. there have been very few times over the course of my review career that i have been asked to return hardware. i have also only written for two sites so both would be considered small to mid-size, although i think HardwareCanucks is getting close to the bigger end of the mid-size spectrum.

i think it is understood reviewers do this on their own time for small sites and manufacturers understand the hardware is their compensation.

as for the new Dom GT's, as soon as i saw the thread here i fired out a PM to my director to see what we could do. i know Corsair was interested in sending one of TEC cooling units so hopefully i can get one of the new 2000 CL7's with it. now that i have a CPU that can clock memory to almost 1200MHz, i am not scared of those bad boy GT's anymore

[eva2000]

Originally Posted by 3oh6

i believe that keeping the samples is the norm for the industry of small to mid range sites. there have been very few times over the course of my review career that i have been asked to return hardware. i have also only written for two sites so both would be considered small to mid-size, although i think HardwareCanucks is getting close to the bigger end of the mid-size spectrum.

i think it is understood reviewers do this on their own time for small sites and manufacturers understand the hardware is their compensation.

as for the new Dom GT's, as soon as i saw the thread here i fired out a PM to my director to see what we could do. i know Corsair was interested in sending one of TEC cooling units so hopefully i can get one of the new 2000 CL7's with it. now that i have a CPU that can clock memory to almost 1200MHz, i am not scared of those bad boy GT's anymore

Yeah I've never been asked to send anything back that i review/test. Then again I always decline the offers if there's a time limit and I have to send it back - just not enough time with all the testing I do and incentive if the gear has to go back

Jody with TEC RAM cooling eek scary

Personally, I don't see any problems with ES being on hwbot as most retail cpus will eventually spank them - hell even my 2x i7 920 3836A756 C0 step cpus spanked the crap out of early i7 965 ES samples on just plain TRUE120 air!

[Kal-EL]

Originally Posted by eva2000

Yeah I've never been asked to send anything back that i review/test. Then again I always decline the offers if there's a time limit and I have to send it back - just not enough time with all the testing I do and incentive if the gear has to go back

Jody with TEC RAM cooling eek scary

Personally, I don't see any problems with ES being on hwbot as most retail cpus will eventually spank them - hell even my 2x i7 920 3836A756 C0 step cpus spanked the crap out of early i7 965 ES samples on just plain TRUE120 air!

Looking around I think thats true of the Intel ES chips. AMD "Special" chips seem a bit further along that what you'll get retail, if you know what I mean.

[Chuchnit]

Originally Posted by Kal-EL

Looking around I think thats true of the Intel ES chips. AMD "Special" chips seem a bit further along that what you'll get retail, if you know what I mean.

I think thats the main problem. AMD retails don't come anywhere close to their ES.