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RomDominance · #31 11-01-2009

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Originally Posted by Mr.Scott

I'm interested to hear exactly what that category might be. If it wasn't coming from Rom, I'd almost say it was a backhanded compliment.

Quite simply this my federation adversary, the overclocking league is supposed to consist of overclocked rigs, cooled much differently than stock, pushed to there limit and then benched. Your fleet has opted to combat this contest with a war of attrition which in my seldomly humble opinion, puts you in a different category. The fact that we are limited to 300 pts hardware is the only thing that keeps most hardware only benchers from taking over all the top spots via 1-2 pts per entry. You guys say you have current rigs and hardware between you and that you bench it, and yet you have 2pts global as a team. Just one of you with an i7 on water with 1 newer gpu could score 70-80 global pts in a night with modest overclocks...I guess thats just not your game. Why should you when you can stay ahead of us running benches on the most obscure obselete hardware you can get your hands on?

In all sincerity I want you to know that I like and respect you guys and enjoy your company on our various forums, I just don't think that you should bring a bulldozer to a dragrace, you should probably go to a tractor pull event instead, lol

Neuromancer · #32 11-01-2009

LOL I would like to see someone with an i7 and some "modest overclocks " score ANY global points right now. I picked up 12 in a week or so of benching my i7 920

AMD users are screwed from 2D boints in anything but CPUz and PCMark. (Pcmark only if they have SSDs and multiple cards)

Want to level the field so only the best "clockers" get top spot? You can keep points from any ONE benchmark per application

In other words 100 CPUz screenies of 100 chips, you can keep points for one. (will be done automatically, whatever one is best)

The argument that the guy that benches every cheap piece of hardware should not get to keep his points is silly. After all Vince benches how much stuff? Differnce is he is doing it while the stuff is new and expensive. His points are not so much a reflection of skill, as they are, a reflection of "look what I got"

Not saying he is not skilled, but a kid that can hack a dell laptop BIOS OC it till it burns up and only get s 2 points for it? I have more respect for that kid then the guy that is being handed stuff for free and being lauded for it.

But I have a different perspective, I am on the bottom looking up not the other way around.

Kal-EL · #33 11-01-2009

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer

LOL I would like to see someone with an i7 and some "modest overclocks " score ANY global points right now. I picked up 12 in a week or so of benching my i7 920

AMD users are screwed from 2D boints in anything but CPUz and PCMark. (Pcmark only if they have SSDs and multiple cards)

Want to level the field so only the best "clockers" get top spot? You can keep points from any ONE benchmark per application

In other words 100 CPUz screenies of 100 chips, you can keep points for one. (will be done automatically, whatever one is best)

The argument that the guy that benches every cheap piece of hardware should not get to keep his points is silly. After all Vince benches how much stuff? Differnce is he is doing it while the stuff is new and expensive. His points are not so much a reflection of skill, as they are, a reflection of "look what I got"

Not saying he is not skilled, but a kid that can hack a dell laptop BIOS OC it till it burns up and only get s 2 points for it? I have more respect for that kid then the guy that is being handed stuff for free and being lauded for it.

But I have a different perspective, I am on the bottom looking up not the other way around.

Show me that kid cuz I spent months trying to do that to no avail.
Also, don't you guys start making up shit in your heads that I'm saying Hardware Masters shouldnt get boints, cuz thats not what I'm saying at all.

Now, if you wanna play it legit. There should be a baseline for all hardware at the bot and any score or clock improvement from that baseline should yield boints. Not a stock run on a Non-Overclockable Dell laptop getting boints for free. Get the baseline and if someone tweaks the os install or settings and improves from the baseline then give jerky some boints.

But in the Global vs Hardware scenario, add no-cap to hardware, it will be an eventuality that the hardware guy spoons the global guy in boints. Lemme tell you, two guys spooning isn't a good thing. Unless the Hardware guy is actually

which would make the Global guy

Mancer, you and I both know that Vince didn't start off as some spoiled brat with uber special ES Cherry high end hardware. He's got knowledge, skill, and has put in the un-godly time and effort required to be at the top of the ranks. If you're gonna be a hater, hate properly like me, hate because its your god given right to hate on the top dogs.

Neuromancer · #34 11-01-2009

LOL I know Vince has mad skills, and started out all on his on, long before comapnies were dishing out free goodies to be abused tortured and generally pointed and laughed about

MY point was, he is getting both HW and Global points because he has the best stuff now. I am not hating on him. I am saying that the person the kid swith nothing willing to put what he has on the line, deserves more than 2 points.

And I thought you OCed your laptop, missed tha part about you running it stock LOL

Actually, that is not so wrong... If you at least tweaked your OS to score better than other "stock submissions"

I have no clue how it should be run. I get a little disappointed because I bust my ass for hours and days and get 1 global point that will be gone in 15 minutes... HW points are a little more long lasting, at least till someone drops some cold on the same gear you have. (not always then either

I nudged out a not so extreme phase guy for a gold cup in superpi. Should not have sold that setup *ugh.

Meh, I will grab a 555 C3

Sometime after the holidays when the temps start dipping into the 20s or even lower!

*Crawling my way up the bot 2 points at a time

Kal-EL · #35 11-01-2009

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer

LOL I know Vince has mad skills, and started out all on his on, long before comapnies were dishing out free goodies to be abused tortured and generally pointed and laughed about

MY point was, he is getting both HW and Global points because he has the best stuff now. I am not hating on him. I am saying that the person the kid swith nothing willing to put what he has on the line, deserves more than 2 points.

And I thought you OCed your laptop, missed tha part about you running it stock LOL

Actually, that is not so wrong... If you at least tweaked your OS to score better than other "stock submissions"

I have no clue how it should be run. I get a little disappointed because I bust my ass for hours and days and get 1 global point that will be gone in 15 minutes... HW points are a little more long lasting, at least till someone drops some cold on the same gear you have. (not always then either

I nudged out a not so extreme phase guy for a gold cup in superpi. Should not have sold that setup *ugh.

Meh, I will grab a 555 C3

Sometime after the holidays when the temps start dipping into the 20s or even lower!

*Crawling my way up the bot 2 points at a time

This is why if there was a baseline and boints awarded for anything upwards of it, you'd get boints for even a mediocre oc and thereby hooking you're ego into an ever increasing drive to get more boints.

As of now, the competition with the latest mainstream hardware is so stiff, you really gotta have cold and skill to get boints. Else, you need to search our the obscure shit and get 2 pointers.

RomDominance · #36 11-02-2009

Hey Nuero, I lead by example. When I got my 920do, look at my graph. I went from 125 points to 215 all on water. You can do it if you work the hell out of your rig. Until this weekend I was never on extreme, and ran mostly my 280's and still reached 215.

Mr.Scott · #37 11-02-2009

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the overclocking league is supposed to consist of overclocked rigs, cooled much differently than stock, pushed to there limit and then benched.

And this is written in the rules where?
While I realize that this is just your opinion, and I can respect that, it is after all, just your opinion. Until there is a rule change that states that we can't do as we're doing, we will continue to pile up points, even if it is only a couple at a time.

Witchdoctor · #38 11-02-2009

LOL............ this is an old story guys

The turtle and the hare ..................

We know how that turns out ............

But not this time ............... bring it on CP ...............

"I need warp speed in 10 seconds or were all dead Mr Scott"

No pressure

Mr.Scott · #39 11-02-2009

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"I need warp speed in 10 seconds or were all dead Mr Scott"

I love that line.

No pressure, and no bad feelings towards any of you. We're all in it for the same reason. We just go about it in different ways.

Witchdoctor · #40 11-02-2009

All in good fun Mr Scott.....

That is what it is all about... if that goes away so will I .................

Maintain prespective my good friends and we will all have a great time competing today and into the future.

And let's rmeber not take our selves to seriously..... and enjoy the ride everyone