[Neuromancer]

Allen I think you are missing the point. I see the cons... but I dont think they are what you think they are. The benefits are that... everyone gets to compete at some level...top "air cooler" or what have you... and yeah who makes the top clock? Anywho...

The other Pro is... you get to submit your testing phases and get more boints from it.

(unless you run LN2 24/7 then well I guess you are fucked)

The con is... this is not going to help the guy that cant afford LN2. Because the guys that can still OC on air/water to practice submit.

I did not see anything about the leagues being mutually exclusive. That LN2 guys couldnt hit up the AIR league or AMD league wahtever it was (not sure.. I do "okay" on air or AMD... without LN2... better than the average joes at least. I only got as many points as I do (which is not much) because of DIce/LN2 and Intel+GPU benches. Cant think of one 3D benchmark that is not intel specific.

For that matter. How about throwing in some actual GPU benchmarks. not just "futuremark system benches" Why does a 3D test need 2 out of 4 benches to be CPU?

They are trying to fix what is wrong with the bot. The problem is... the have no clue. How about GPU tests that test the GPU, not the CPU.

or have 2D 3D and system (IE futuremark) tests...just a thought.

EDIT: Just thought of something else....

HWbot used to be on the number of submissions per device... so SLI got easy points. Might this be the case in v4... and removed in v5??? Probably. Except this time it would apply to CPUs....

[Buckeye]

Oh they forgot all about actually scanning submissions to make sure they are legit, not copies, or shared scores.

Yup FM can do that right now if they wanted to. Shoot they don't even check keys. The Bot has nothing.

How are they going to handle all the different tricks people play with Water Cooling/Air Setups. AC blowing on your Air Cooler, Chilled Water Loops etc.

Its all good and I think people need there seperate play gounds so others can play, but lets fix the basic stuff first.

Yes on remove ES chips removal.

Leagues should also consider sponsored guys, seperate League for them. Do this so we don't get the dirt track guys being forced to play in the Indy Car League.

[Hondacity]

Originally Posted by Buckeye

Oh they forgot all about actually scanning submissions to make sure they are legit, not copies, or shared scores.

Yup FM can do that right now if they wanted to. Shoot they don't even check keys. The Bot has nothing.

How are they going to handle all the different tricks people play with Water Cooling/Air Setups. AC blowing on your Air Cooler, Chilled Water Loops etc.

Its all good and I think people need there seperate play gounds so others can play, but lets fix the basic stuff first.

Yes on remove ES chips removal.

Leagues should also consider sponsored guys, seperate League for them. Do this so we don't get the dirt track guys being forced to play in the Indy Car League.

its time to dominate air cooling )