[Kal-EL]

http://hwbot.org/hwbot.post.do?postId=1302

Originally Posted by hwbot

Dear HWBot users and overclocking enthousiasts,
This newspost is to inform you, or better: inquire you, to have you share your opinion with the HWBot staff about a complicated issue regarding the HWBoints. This particular discussion could have a big effect on how points are awarded and, thus, how people are ranked as well as how your team is ranked. We would really appreciate if you could voice your opinion so that HWBot can have a better view on what people would like to happen. The issue concerns splitting up the videocard rankings based on number of used sockets instead of number of GPUs.
Underneath a summation of the discussion within HWBot.
1. What is the problem?
Over the years HWBot has had to make a great amount of decisions regarding the HWBoints and how to rate overclockers. The system as it is now works quite good and, although there are still flaws present, does give a good estimation of how ‘good’ a score is overall and within a certain category. One of the more important decisions we had to take was whether we split up the videocard sections based on PCI-Express slots or actual GPUs. Although it’s only a one-word difference, it has had quite a large effect on the rankings and, as we figured out just a few weeks ago, also on how people spend money.
First of all, let me refresh the HWBot principles:

• Overclocking competition should be open to as much people as possible
• A ranking on HWBot should be largely about skill, not purely about money.

So, a couple of weeks ago, we decided to check what videocards were most popular and how much different users have used what type of graphics card to submit at least ONE result. Underneath is a list with the number of submissions since 01-01-09
FOLLOW LINK ABOVE TO READ MORE

HWBOT FORUM DISCUSSION

[punx223]

i like the idea... personally i think its quite funny to see some of the cocky higher end guys trying to back why it shouldnt be changed lol

[DrNip]

I gave it a +1 on the change. I never understood why they considered it a single GPU when everybody considers them a dual gpu. It's kinda like EVGA condoning PhsyX were the rest of the overclocking community doesn't. lol

[Kal-EL]

What would happen to single pcb "Dual GPU" submissions?
I think they'd become extinct from hwbot, IF, tri-card and quad-card setups trump a single "dual gpu" card at the upper range.
In essence you'd kill off any sort of single "Dual GPU" submission.
The money gap will always be there.
Faster cards cost more
slower cards cost less
This idea might shorten that margin but it doesn't resolve it.
I think the biggest thing is PARTICIPATION. Seeing boints awarded for any benchmark is like crack. One hit and you're an addict. A few more and you're a junky. Don't we all want everyone to be junkies?
To take a page from the scumbag, dirtbag, lowest beings on the planet, horrid, miserable, soul less, street drug dealers........... give people a hit, get them hooked, fuel the fever.
The only way to do this is by finding a way to bring boints to those with even mediocre scores that are above the average of a stock run system.
How? I'm not sure. Maybe creating a base line score average for each generation leap. Taking base line scores from the top tear cards from x,y and z vendors/manufacturers and average them together, then award boints upward from there?

[DrNip]

Yeah that's always the problem with so many things in life. Catch 22 if you may. My theory in life is give it a try, if it doesn't work then go back to what you know.

[Neuromancer]

Global Boints are nice, but really restricted to high end systems. Also very hard to get on air cooling.

Might be nice to see boints based on cooling method as well.

Boint system is already messed up, was checking out the boints available to 140W 965BE overclockers. Sometimes guys in second or third place have twice as many global points as the first place guy (PCMark for example yes I know I mention it alot lol)


Ranking could still be based on score, but if a person on air or water scores better than a phase change or DIce user, (rarely, but it does happen), they should receive more boints.

This would reward those that spend time tweaking the crap out of their OS though, over those with the best HW combination.

It is called HWBot though not SWbot or PCBot

[Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Kal-EL

What would happen to single pcb "Dual GPU" submissions?
I think they'd become extinct from hwbot, IF, tri-card and quad-card setups trump a single "dual gpu" card at the upper range.
In essence you'd kill off any sort of single "Dual GPU" submission.
The money gap will always be there.
Faster cards cost more
slower cards cost less
This idea might shorten that margin but it doesn't resolve it.
I think the biggest thing is PARTICIPATION. Seeing boints awarded for any benchmark is like crack. One hit and you're an addict. A few more and you're a junky. Don't we all want everyone to be junkies?
To take a page from the scumbag, dirtbag, lowest beings on the planet, horrid, miserable, soul less, street drug dealers........... give people a hit, get them hooked, fuel the fever.
The only way to do this is by finding a way to bring boints to those with even mediocre scores that are above the average of a stock run system.
How? I'm not sure. Maybe creating a base line score average for each generation leap. Taking base line scores from the top tear cards from x,y and z vendors/manufacturers and average them together, then award boints upward from there?

I would love to see single card participation and ranked as such. Older cards and newer ones, the more different types the better, just like with all the different CPU's out there.

But imo and this new rule changes nothing as they have not addressed the biggest concern of mine, ES and Manufactured Cherry samples making it into the rankings. Until they do this I do not play, and if I play its only with Retail.

[Neuromancer]

One thing I noticed recently about ES, as I complained before about that.

My 920 D0 purchased from Microcenter, shows up in CPU-z as a 975 ES after ~4.2 GHz

[DrNip]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

One thing I noticed recently about ES, as I complained before about that.

My 920 D0 purchased from Microcenter, shows up in CPU-z as a 975 ES after ~4.2 GHz

That's strange. Might be a CPUz bug. What batch #?

[Neuromancer]

Got bumped down to third here

5.9 points for 3rd place 1. something for second.

Thought it might have something to do with globals, but 3rd place was submitted 3 days after 2nd place.