[ShrimpBrime]

Originally Posted by BenchZowner

Phenom II is not just a process revision of Phenom I.

Clock per clock ( better performance at the same frequency ) is nowhere to be found in almost every single core revision ever.

Has the x86 core changed in forever? Nope.....

Trinity should be released soon (APU) with a presumed up to and exceeding 20% performance increase over current A8 APU's.

Aren't the i7's APU based chips? Not just cpu's but also have IGP right?

How will these Trinity APU's compare to i7's? Is it all strictly about cpu performance? Or is a cpu worthless with garbage IGP?

JW cause I know very very little about Intel. It's beyond my budget capabilities.

[BenchZowner]

Originally Posted by ShrimpBrime

Aren't the i7's APU based chips? Not just cpu's but also have IGP right?

They have, but if you're spending 200$+ on a CPU, I believe you can afford a 70$ VGA which blows away the on-die ( inside the CPU ) graphics processor ( both Intel's and AMD's Llano ).

Originally Posted by ShrimpBrime

How will these Trinity APU's compare to i7's? Is it all strictly about cpu performance? Or is a cpu worthless with garbage IGP?

CPU-wise they suck balls.
Slow as hell.
GPU-wise the Trinity chips should be better even when compared to Ivy Bridge's i5/i7-3xxx LGA1155 on-die GPU ( unless Intel goes way above our expectations and current performance information )

CPU's with integrated graphics processors are good for HTPC ( Home Theater PCs ) and netbooks and entry-level laptops, that's just it.
Gaming + IGP = not getting along.

[ShrimpBrime]

Originally Posted by BenchZowner

Gaming + IGP = not getting along.

Funny, my son's rig is HTPC/Gaming blend on a 47" LG Flatscreen and I'm not having any issues at all.

When I had it for testing and benching, I happened to run Black Ops Zombies with it. Had not one issue and ran smoothly.

Just my experience so far with it. My son mostly plays TF2 and it's between 45-70FPS depending on map and player load, max settings max resolution on the 47".

I can produce picture proof if needed. But I think the AMD IGP's are a little tad under estimated.

[Gutterz]

Seems that their is 800 million less transistors than thought on Bulldozer.

source
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/21780/...ght/index.html

[BenchZowner]

Allow me to doubt their new number.
1.2B transistors is unbelievable, especially with those huge caches.
Chip must be around 1.5-1.7B in reality ( looks like AMD thinks numbers aren't important [ transistor count, pricing, performance figures ] )

[MaadDaawg]

: AMD :

[ShrimpBrime]

Originally Posted by BenchZowner

( looks like AMD thinks numbers aren't important [ transistor count, pricing, performance figures ] )

Intel did this with NetBurst....

[Neuromancer]

Yeah most of the PCs in my house are IGP gamers, only one that cant is intels sandyB. the 3000 is a little smoother but the 2000 has issues with multimonitor and HD playback on one secreen and a game like freecell on the second :(

BUT: they are not playing COD/BF/ type of games. Harry potter/ Barbie types of games is what is normal. Wizard 101 with HD texture pack etc.

[ShrimpBrime]

The APU's are good for like 22" and below and low res, but can play the newer games. I also tested the APU playing F3AR or Fear 3 if you will.

The 6 series IGP did surprisingly well. Blows away any other onboard IGP I've ever touched.

EDIT: Keep in mind I'm talking about stock, did even better when OC'ed

[BenchZowner]

Maximum details in which game ? And at what resolution ?
Forget about the first question, because it is granted that no IGP can handle any serious game ( Crysis 1/2, BFBC2, BF3, Assassins Creed, Hawx, Resident Evil 5, NFS Shift, anything... ) at maximum details even at just 1024x768.
Unless you consider 5fps minimum, 10fps avg, 12fps max playable framerates